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Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

"Thirty Days" is gorgeous, I really must agree. IMO, pretty much all of Season 5 is eye candy to me, but that episode really is especially lovely. It's also hard proof that McNeill's beautiful eyes are bluer than blue. *cough* I'd gush about the CG as well, but I suppose I don't want to ruin things for our dear shatnertage. I'll stay mum on the details of the pot roast too. :)

AMG, I'm glad you're happy, lol!!! I wasn't sure if mentioning pot roast would incite rage or joy. The foam lizards were something I never had, but I do recall some other trinkets I got at the state fair that I really liked. :) Too bad there weren't any pictures of your lizard in all its pink and blue glory.

EDIT: To answer your question, by the way, I now see the resemblance. :) I shall now picture a foam lizard instead of an Aliens-esque facehugger from now on!
 
As far as spoilers go, I generally don't like them, but I appreciate that froot has given me the opportunity to emotionally prepare myself for seeing the Flotter doll again.
 
As far as spoilers go, I generally don't like them, but I appreciate that froot has given me the opportunity to emotionally prepare myself for seeing the Flotter doll again.
Come on, the Flotter doll can't worse than the Wacky Wall Walker alien in "Nothing Human".:lol:
 
Come on, the Flotter doll can't worse than the Wacky Wall Walker alien in "Nothing Human".:lol:

I don't really think one is worse than the other, but I DO think they were made by the same company. :lol:

So, Shatnertage, after you watch "Thirty Days", I shall point out a nitpicky mistake and a bit of trivia related to it. Just announcing this so you & Mrs. Shat can keep your eyes extra sharp while you're watching. ;)
 
It only took about 2 days for us to get around to watching...

"Thirty Days"

I agree completely that the look of the episode is great. There are even some unexpected camera angles in some of the shots that make it stand out.

First, I'll tell you what I thought this episode would be about: Voyager passes through a system where coffee is a controlled substance. The ship is stopped and raided by drug enforcement officers, who catch Janeway mid-cup. She's forced to spend 30 days in a rehab center, where she imparts a motherly influence to a younger patient and develops a love interest with a hunky alien before learning that maybe she needs to rethink her coffee addiction.

Needless to say, that's not the episode they shot.

We start with Paris being demoted and taken to the brig. Janeway is not amused.

The episode takes place as a flashback, told within the framing device of Tom's letter to his dad from the brig. Here's where I start to have some issues.

First, we pause the episode and have a 5-minute conversation about how Paris as a bad boy just doesn't translate. He just seems so clean-cut and affable, you just don't see him as a hardened ex-con. Plus, what we know about the Federation just doesn't make prison life seem that awful in the 24th century. Besides the fact that he apparently didn't use the toilet for 30 days, Paris didn't seem to have it so awful. He wasn't really in solitary confinement--he had a guard standing right across from him 24 hours a day, had his iPhone to play with, and was getting visitors at least once a day.

When I think of solitary confinement, I think of Steve McQueen in Papillon or something from Oz.

Speaking of OZ, we then had a short discussion of who from Oz would have made a more convincing rogue character. There were a few actors in that age range, including Kirk Acevedo, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Dean Winters, and Christopher Meloni who might have pulled it off. I wonder if Dean Winters read for it? On yet another side note, from Garrett Wang's commentary that every male Asian actor in Hollywood read for Harry Kim, I wonder if B.D. Wong did?

So, back to the episode. We had a hysterical moment that I'll share: Paris starts off his letter from jail, "Dear father," then "Admiral Paris," then pauses. My wife says, "Hey Dad!" and a split second later, Paris says, "Hey Dad!"

Not a real badass thing to say, is it? Unless you say it in a creepy way, like Eric Bana saying "Christopher" in ST09.

The framing structure of the letter from prison, for me at least, calls to mind Martin Luther King, Jr., so it sets the bar high. What is he in prison for 30 days for?

Turns out that, ever since he's been a kid, Tommy has dreamed of the high seas. My wife and I turn to each other and go "WTF?" simultaneously. I thought he was into Camaros and 1930s scifi serials. When he was at his lowest ebb emotionally, he sought refuge in restoring a holo-classic car, not sailing. At the beginning of this very episode, he's doing the Captain Proton thing. If this had been a first season episode it might have made sense, but we've known Tom for five years and I can't recall him ever mentioning the lure of the sea. It's like they just swapped out "James Dean" for "Horatio Hornblower."

A planet of hot-rodders might not have been as dramatic, but it would have been more true to the character.

That said, it's a pretty cool episode--the water "planet" is realized so gorgeously that it looks like a feature film. The aliens are unique-looking too. My wife recognizes one of them immediately from Sex and the City.

They get to do some pretty cool stuff with getting the Delta Flyer down into the ocean. It turns out the problem is a kind-of rote "you're ruining the environment" thing, and naturally the "powers that be" refuse to listen. So Paris defies a direct order and tries to blow up their oxygen extraction plants.

Again, this is the kind of plot that requires the "antagonist" to be an idiot. I can't imagine that if someone arrived on Earth with a way to use the earth's geomagentism (for example) to create power in an efficient and cost-effective way, that people would really refuse to experiment with it and would continue to use coal and oil. You figure that a traditionally nomadic society is used to change, and obviously they were able to adapt to the "water world" 300 years ago. Maybe some conservatism has crept in, but faced with the fact that their habitat's being lost, you figure they wouldn't be block-headed.

Despite my quibbles, it was still one of the better episodes, if only because of the great, ambitious look. And Janeway gets to show us who the real bad ass on Voyager is.

My wife and I each detected a nit-picky mistake, but I thought of ways to explain away each of them.

Her: Little Tommy in the dream sequence has brown eyes. Adult Tom, as we know, has blue eyes.

Treknobabble counter-argument: Teenage Tom's eyes were "damaged" when he witnessed a photo-plasmic explosion while touring a starbase under construction with his father, cf Doctor Who, The Horror of Fang Rock.

Me: At the end, Paris suggest that Torres meet him for a nice big dinner at 0700 hours. Which is seven in the morning.

Counter-argument: Torres was working night-side that week, and Tom was discombobulated from his time in the hole, so morning was just as good a time to have a big dinner as evening.

Did we catch it, AMG?
 
Good review and good nitpicks, Shatnertage! You didn't catch my favorite, although I had never noticed that brown eyed/blue eyed thing, so you're still the winner. (And yeah, I'm guessing Torres was on the night shift, too.)

My nitpick is this:

When we see Paris lying on the bunk in the brig, he clearly has on his pips. That Janeway just dramatically removed for him.

And actually, this is a nitpick within a nitpick. Because Paris was NOT wearing pips in the scene in which Janeway rips them off. His collar was totally bare. Presumably, the pips are normally attached in such a way that Mulgrew would not have been able to remove them with any sort of flair, so they just faked it. It's a very clever fake, though. I didn't notice it until I needed that clip for a vid and was going through it frame by frame. Even then, I had to look more than once.

Thus is the magic of Hollywood.
 
Ohhhhh. That roast. Ok. I remember.
Yes. The roast of all that is evil.

Thirty Days, I have mixed feelings. It is pretty though

I was carrying on about the lighting earlier today and JanewayRulz! was laughing at me. :lol: It's so beautiful, though. I can't remember them ever lighting another episode in quite that way. KM and McNeill both looked sooo super good. And the planet's surface was awesome, too. :bolian:

ETA: Yes, Shat, they do indeed get serious. But they break out of it.

Now, lets be fair. :rommie:

You extoll the virtues of :drool: Kate Mulgrew:drool: wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy - yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than I ever do. I think I can be forgiven for being shocked :eek: that when she's in frame you notice "anything" else. :rofl:

And if we're voting on Tommy's eye color, in the pilot, while walking among the trees of the New Zealand penal colony, there's a perfect shot of him staring at Janeway with those amazing BLUE eyes... :drool:
 
Now, lets be fair. :rommie:

You extoll the virtues of :drool:Kate Mulgrew :drool:wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than I ever do. I think I can be forgiven for being shocked :eek: that when she's in frame you notice "anything" else. :rofl:

And if we're voting on Tommy's eye color, in the pilot, while walking among the trees of the New Zealand penal colony, there's a perfect shot of him staring at Janeway with those amazing BLUE eyes... :drool:

:lol: The lighting brought out the natural good looks - and blue eyes - of both of them!
 
I have this one
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You can tell that his eyes are blue :drool:
 
I am back with...

"Counterpoint"

Wow. That's my honest reaction to this episode. This is everything that Trek should be, and the best episode I've seen in a while.

Where to start? The set-up was great, with these aliens boarding Voyager, apparently not for the first time. And they like classical music, which they pipe throughout the ship. And they're drinking Janeway's coffee.

It's funny that I originally thought "Thirty Days" was going to be about Janeway being sent to rehab for coffee-drinking, and in the very episode her ship is being searched by some alien police who also take an interest in coffee.

Kashek, the head Devore inspector, seems a bit mellower than his older second-in-command. He's the Mahler fan.

It sticks in my head that Devore is one of the exits of the I-15 heading out of LA. Is that where they got the name from? And will the next aliens be from the Cajon pass? Or Hesperia?

I've got to say that the music is what really lifts this episode. It's phenomenal, and it makes the inspection scenes--particularly the final one--almost surreal.

The story itself is one we've seen a thousand times before (or at least it feels like it)--our heroes helping a persecuted minority in the face of opposition from a powerful enemy. But it's the execution--and the clever twist with Kashek defecting--that makes this exceptional.

This is really Janeway's episode, and Kate Mulgrew does a phenomenal job, playing it with absolute conviction. You can really sense her initial distrust of Kashek melting away as she is won over by his ingenuity, passion, and charm.

The scene with both of them standing in front of the window with the space aurora borealis in the background is absolutely stunning.

Nice reference to Ensign (not Crewman) Suder, too.

And it's nice to see Randy Oglesby (Degra from ENT), even though he didn't have the biggest part.

I'm sure that the scene in the shuttlebay has been a controversial one, but it's nothing that we haven't seen other Trek captains do in the past. Ethically, it's less complicated that, say, Picard's dalliance with Kamala in "The Perfect Mate."

Then we find out that Kashek is a double-crossing sneak. But Janeway's outsmarted him...kind of. Two possible plot holes opened up at the end: I'm not sure how she'll get her two shuttles back (maybe they'll find the next opening of the wormhole and meet up with the refugees?) and what happens to Tuvok, Vorik, and the Bajoran, who are presumably on board Voyager (we saw Tuvok on the bridge)?

I'm willing to overlook those points, though, because this was a fantastic episode that took some risks (having Janeway develop a relationship with an alien who turned out to be one of the bad guys) and shook things up a little. Even though I figured Kashek wouldn't be joining the Voyager crew one way or another, I had no idea how this was going to end.

So far this has my vote for episode of the season.

The music...
 
I can see why--it was an absolute ass-kicker of an episode. Easily on my VOY top ten, and probably in my Trek top ten--definitely top 20.

I didn't even mention the alien professor guy, Torat, who not only does a neat sniffing/puffing thing (looks better onscreen than it sounds), but is actually a fun character. I really like the way Janeway and Kashek worked him over together...though as we found out later, Kashek wasn't doing it out of kindness.

Thanks, Jeff--I've fixed that.
 
One of the best episodes in Voyager's fifth season however the next two episodes rival it as well.

Kate Mulgrew's favorite, well one of them, episode. She supposedly kissed the script after she read it. And her love of the episode showed in her acting. It was brilliant.
 
The fun of that episode is how you don't really know how each of them felt during their time together. Did Kashek help Janeway in that scene with the puffing alien dude because he was using her, or because he actually enjoyed it? Same with Janeway. I guess we found out their alliances at the end (Kashek double-crossing her, Janeway out-smarting Kashek) but I loved the mystery in the middle.

Also, the music was BOMB. Made the episode, especially when Janeway was sitting on the bridge by herself and the music was playing. I love any episode that plays on how smart Janeway is, but also that she's still a woman who's conflicted. Great episode.
 
This episode is like delicious ice cream to me. I'm glad you liked it, too. :lol:

I know we gushed about the lighting in "Thirty Days," but the mood lighting in this episode is awesome as well. Everything's super dark and high contrast without being too over-the-top (unlike "Cathexis," which looked silly IMO).

The Janeway/Kashyk dance is super amazing awesome and fun to watch, because you're never quite sure how emotionally invested either of 'em are. My only complaint is that I think Kashyk's voice is kinda silly. :lol: I always laugh when he yells "PRAAAAX!" and I don't think I'm supposed to :lol:
 
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