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Well, I'm sorry to see Cary go. I've enjoyed his thoughts about all things Trek even though we don't always agree.

Maybe I have a bit of a soft spot for grumpy engineering types, but I've seen a lot of what Cary complains about. It doesn't help that official policy is to sweep discussion under the rug with a constant "comments to PM" retort that does nothing to foster open discussion and shine light on problems with moderation. While I understand the idea is to keep threads on topic, there's no reason these things can't be discussed out in the open under Moderator Actions ... except, again, the mods want everything kept in PM.

Although Cary functions with a bit of a confirmation bias regarding unfair mods, he sure does seem to incur moderator wrath more easily than others for similar offenses. Maybe M'Sharek's just tired of dealing with a grumpy curmudgeon, but I wouldn't have warned Cary for calling a troll a troll. A firm, but civil, "Don't do that again" was all he deserved, even if it was obvious he'd do it again eventually anyway. Instead, we were left with a situation where the guy flamed was punished the same as the flamer. No wonder Cary got ticked off.

TheGodThing, Trevanian, CRA, and others have seen and received similar treatment. And while they're not always the most courteous posters, they often post with something interesting to say. Driving these people from the boards leaves the place to less thought-provoking posters who typically can't be bothered to rub enough neurons together to produce more than snarky remarks. You're throwing out good wood and keeping rot. (Although that isn't to say that there aren't thoughtful posters who are able to keep their comments diplomatic, but I'd rather have thoughtful posters, courteous or not, instead of the snarks.)

Comments to PM? Nah ... I don't think I can trust any system that keeps discussion in the dark.
 
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Re: Ending this thread...

There will be no further postings by me on the TrekBBS for the foreseeable future... at least not until the current management leaves.

Recently, I was subjected to another round of harassment and mistreatment... in particular, this thread:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3581969#post3581969

which brought on this response:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3583945&postcount=93

and then, as soon as my "suspension" for that expired, here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3651578#post3651578

Where Dennis blatantly (and unprovokedly) attacked me. I asked for the mod to make some comment and was blown off. As is typically the case here, he was given a free pass when he violated the BBS rules. After giving the moderator TWO WEEKS (with several PMs between myself and that moderator, as well as the board Admin, during that time) to deal with the situation, it became clear that Dennis and his little group of fanboys are once again in the "special privileges" arena. SO... I responded to his unprovoked attack on me and, as expected, was given another "week-long ban."

During this time, I asked T'Bone to "prune" this thread... as I know that I've brought in a fair number of "hits" to the TrekBBS and I do not want to continue to contribute "hits" for advertising revenue to a place which is effectively run in this offensive and inappropriate fashion. As expected, she ignored my request entirely.

I've considered just deleting all the linked images from my Imageshack account... it's an inconvenience to me and I'd rather avoid that (I do plan on posting some of this elsewhere, on another site which is not run as a "fascist clubhouse"). I may still do so. However, I decided that for anyone really interested in this, I should let you know... because of the HORSE SHIT that the majority of the BBS staff regularly perpetrates (PTrope is one of the few who has never crossed that "one set of rules for our buddies, who get to do anything they like, and another set of "make 'em up as we go just to drive away people we don't like" rules for anyone who won't kiss their collective asses, by the way... he's not perfect but he's never crossed this particular line, and I respect him for it.)...

Well, because of this, well... I'm just tired of it, so I'll give the lying, rotten little bastards what they so clearly want. Congratulations, Dennie-boy. Keep riding on that "I wrote a story for a TV show once" thing. Congratulations, M'Sharak, for going into a spitting-frenzy anytime anyone talks back to one of your pals (and especially ST-One, who you leap seem to take an almost "overprotective mommy who'll defend her spoiled child from any consequences" attitude towards), even if they're the ones who're attacking the "backtalker" in the first place. Congratulations everyone.

This site is not a "fun place to discuss Star Trek." It's a private clubhouse for a bunch of nasty, vicious bastards to exercise some little power (even those who are prohibited by law from going within several blocks of anyplace where children can be found... and there are quite a few of those who've gravitated to this BBS, by the way, and are permitted to do anything they like by the "management"... ). It only POSES as a "fun place to discuss Star Trek." But I've seen too many people... including several MODERATORS... subjected to this same "you're not with us, so you're against us, and we'll destroy you" routine.

It's disgusting. It's not fun. It's not RIGHT. And it's not acceptable.

I strongly recommend that anyone who's experienced, or observed, this bullshit seriously consider walking away from this place. There are plenty of other sites on the 'net... sites which may be draconian about enforcing rules, or very loose about enforcing them, but which do have ONE SET OF RULES FOR EVERYONE, instead of "one to reward our friends and lovers" and "one to punish anyone who won't submit to our whims."

The TrekBBS is how it is because of the attitudes of those who run it, from the top down. I truly hope that Paramount starts to take a closer interest in this site... which, I suspect, is using the "Trek" concept in a for-profit manner, yet not paying for that privilege. A site that's "friendly and open to the community" may be considered a positive from the standpoint of PPC's legal department, but one that operates as this one does has the potential to harm the company's intellectual property... and I hope, very much, that they'll start to pay attention.

Assuming that my account isn't immediately deleted based upon my posting this, you can PM me, and I'll read those for a while. But I think I'm done being harassed and mistreated by a group which includes fascists and convicted sex offenders, and I don't plan to post anything further.

PTrope, if you find this post a problem, please feel free to do as I asked T'Bone to do, a number of days back, and simply delete the entire thread.
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Re: Ending this thread...

Oh, he meant posters? For a moment there, I thought he was talking about the staff. :eek:
 
Oh, I just noticed that I'm mentioned in that, his 'last', post... should've read it more carefully... it's just too much text (and I say that as someone who has read The Lord of the Rings a few times and quite enjoys Neal Stephenson's novels ;) )
 
Re: Ending this thread...

During this time, I asked T'Bone to "prune" this thread... As expected, she ignored my request entirely.

It might be more productive to PM Ptrope, given that he's the moderator of this forum. I've never heard of anybody asking T'Bonz to do something like that.

..as I know that I've brought in a fair number of "hits" to the TrekBBS and I do not want to continue to contribute "hits" for advertising revenue to a place which is effectively run in this offensive and inappropriate fashion.

Methinks thou doth protest too much. Or have too high an opinion of this thread. Or something.

Ooh, look, nachos.
 
Cary - Personally, I hope you don't leave. I don't voyage into any other forums except for Trek Tech. I have always found your explanations insightful. I may not agree with them all the time, but they are at least well thought out.

I wish you good luck should you choose not to return, but hope that we can continue to see you on these boards.
 
I would sincerely miss your work on the 1701, but as for the personal whining and lengthy ranting posts, I won't be worried to see them go.
 
in a universe ruled (at least in part) by quantum mechanics, what does 'the foreseeable future' really MEAN?
 
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Sorry to see you go, Cary. As it has been previously said, your 1701 work was the stuff of legend.
 
Cary - consider something, if you haven't already...

Prior to the various arguments in other threads you linked to, did you have any positive regard for any of the people involved, or did you always view their opinions and actions then as you do now?

If you always felt the same about them before the various incidents, how is now any different? And if you did have some respect for them before that is now gone, just avoid dealing with them and leave it at that. Let them come poking you with sticks...then they'll be the ones doing the trolling and flaming.

I learned a while ago that in the grand scheme of things, most opinions, regardless of which side of the argument they're supporting, have about as much cascading impact as the proverbial fly hitting the windshield at 60 mph. State your case once, twice tops, and move on. If someone doesn't agree with you, that's their problem, not yours.

You said yourself that PTrope here is one of the only mods you feel is truly logical and fair in how he runs things - fine, just hang out here and avoid the rest of the board.
 
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