Another proposed Trek war story. Nothing to see, here...
Another New Series Proposal
- Thread starter Dayton3
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You can't have a Trek series again without war or the threat of war.
Because no one is going to sit around watching a Trek series about the crew "exploring the human condition" or whatever the heck they used to call it.
No one wants to watch members of the crew "growing and learning" or "exploring their feelings" for 44 minutes.
ST:TNG got away with that for awhile because it was new, everyone wanted more Trek, and all that.
But even then, ST:TNG felt compelled to ramp up the action and violence content considerably after the first season.
hellsgate
Commodore
I agree with Dayton. But not open war, specifically. But, occasionally feature an aggrieved party that feels that it was given the crappy end of the stick so-to-speak. Another arc like the Duros feud with Worf & The Federation. Diplomatic fallout from the Federation being perceived as the antagonist in the Dominion War for sending ships into the Gamma Quadrant without knowing far more about borders / claims to territories by talking to someone in the area first. Testing the waters of the local authorities via probes, civilian (Yrridian) freighter contacts (Starfleet Transport Authority,) etc. Worlds that were caught in the middle and beings that were unwittingly forced to go into hiding from The Founders / Jem Hadar.
Yup. Though I cannot help but see irony in your avatar.
Nonsense.
I contain multitudes...
Is there something particularly war-like about a picture of the Enterprise?
If true, the world is not a poorer place for lack of another Trek series. Bo-o-o-ring.
Right again. I hate to use the "It's just not Star Trek," tag-line, but it's just not Star Trek.
The last time I checked, the series credo is to "Seek out life and civilizations," and not "Blow shit up!"
If it is true as you say and all the world cares for is bad science fiction where all they do is "Blow shit up," then the world can have its nuBSG and the rest of us can keep our Star Trek.
I'd also argue that way of thinking over the last decade is what put the franchise in dire straits to begin with.
The last time I checked, the series credo is to "Seek out life and civilizations," and not "Blow shit up!"
If it is true as you say and all the world cares for is bad science fiction where all they do is "Blow shit up," then the world can have its nuBSG and the rest of us can keep our Star Trek.
I'd also argue that way of thinking over the last decade is what put the franchise in dire straits to begin with.
Rambo vs the UN Wimps of Starfleet. Well, it could work well as a sf series, but it's not Star Trek. Ysee, in Star Trek, like it or not, we are supposed to be on the side of the Starfleet Wimps.
Not necessarily. GR didn't just create a tv show, but an entire universe. So, you could have any number of stories ... Friends (in space) set in the Star Trek universe and it would still be Star Trek.
Not very good Star Trek, mind you, but Star Trek nontheless.
I think it is a great idea. I like that your not going backwards in time to do another reboot. I also think that star trek needs to renew itself this could be the answer. As for the 47 years isn't such a long time thing... oh yes it yes. 47 years of peace would have profound effect on the way military affairs were conducted. We're still in the shadow of both the cold war and 9/11. 47 years is a long time. Forget about the all male, all gay, all fascist crew. One concept star trek shoulden't renew is women in tight uniforms. It works. Good idea I really hope they buy it
Rambo vs the UN Wimps of Starfleet. Well, it could work well as a sf series, but it's not Star Trek. Ysee, in Star Trek, like it or not, we are supposed to be on the side of the Starfleet Wimps.
Not necessarily. GR didn't just create a tv show, but an entire universe. So, you could have any number of stories ... Friends (in space) set in the Star Trek universe and it would still be Star Trek.
Not very good Star Trek, mind you, but Star Trek nontheless.
Except your argument is contradictory. The problem is, we've had two and a half series and (soon to be) eight movies of "war." As you say, it's a whole "universe." It's time to do something different.
Rambo vs the UN Wimps of Starfleet. Well, it could work well as a sf series, but it's not Star Trek. Ysee, in Star Trek, like it or not, we are supposed to be on the side of the Starfleet Wimps.
Not necessarily. GR didn't just create a tv show, but an entire universe. So, you could have any number of stories ... Friends (in space) set in the Star Trek universe and it would still be Star Trek.
Not very good Star Trek, mind you, but Star Trek nontheless.
Except your argument is contradictory. The problem is, we've had two and a half series and (soon to be) eight movies of "war." As you say, it's a whole "universe." It's time to do something different.
Such a new series wouldn't necessarily revolve around a war.
I envisioned the early years as being a search as to what actually happened to the Tricentennial Colony Project.
Well, with all due respect, it's basically just a collection of extremely tired cliches that have been done countless times in various action and sci-fi movies.
- Unappreciated, grizzled warrior who is returned to service when his country really needs him? Rambo, 24, etc.
- Story begins with a "mysterious alien force that destroys a deep-space exploratory mission"? I've read variations of this one in countless SF novels, such as In Death Ground and many others.
- Sniveling military/civilian leadership who want to sabotage the mission of the gallant warrior for their own purposes? A mainstay of pretty much every Tom Clancy novel and film.
Now, that doesn't mean it would be terrible - ideas become cliched for a reason, because they often work well. But nothing I've read here suggests a Star Trek series that would differ in any significant way from your run-of-the-mill action/adventure stories that we've all already seen about a thousand times.
Rambo vs the UN Wimps of Starfleet. Well, it could work well as a sf series, but it's not Star Trek. Ysee, in Star Trek, like it or not, we are supposed to be on the side of the Starfleet Wimps.
Not necessarily. GR didn't just create a tv show, but an entire universe. So, you could have any number of stories ... Friends (in space) set in the Star Trek universe and it would still be Star Trek.
Not very good Star Trek, mind you, but Star Trek nontheless.
Except your argument is contradictory. The problem is, we've had two and a half series and (soon to be) eight movies of "war." As you say, it's a whole "universe." It's time to do something different.
Oh, I agree with that. Completely.
My point was just that that universe exists not just on Starships. Even if there is no actual trek through that universe, there are an infinate number of stories in that universe.
My last comment was just that a "Friends (in space)" might not be good Star Trek.
Corruption, blackmail, lying to the public, falsifying reports for an excuse to start a war, most of the allies casualties from friendly friendly fire rather than the enemy to begin with....the allies in enemy territory before federation troops even land on the beaches...yes, lets, I think it could work if we stick to the gritty truth.
hellsgate
Commodore
Jenee:
I could see your character development happen. A somewhat-curmudgeonly Starfleet Officer that dislikes everyone, been passed over for better tours of duty closer to the core of The Federation due to his inability to exercise diplomacy more appropriately.
A C.O. that's been referred to counselors for obvious reasons. A cigar-smoking, 'shoots-from-the-hip', 'tells-it-like-he-sees-it' kind of guy who grimaces / smirks too much (or just at inconvenient times,) to the point it makes his Senior Staff subtly uncomfortable. Doesn't even think twice about staring at women in Ten Forward, despite the fact its obvious that he needs to hold himself to a far higher standard and deal with his issues in the holodeck like most 24th century bachelors.
Doesn't like many of his crew, (refers to Cardassians as 'Spoonheads' & Humans as 'Pink-Skins' or Tellarites as 'guinea pigs', regardless of whether or not they're within earshot, etc.)
Doesn't think much of ramming a torpedo into a civilian transport with a shielded armory to find out for certain if there's biogenic weapons/components aboard, if the transport doesn't *IMMEDIATELY* react to a singular hail attempt within 5 seconds.
I could see your character development happen. A somewhat-curmudgeonly Starfleet Officer that dislikes everyone, been passed over for better tours of duty closer to the core of The Federation due to his inability to exercise diplomacy more appropriately.
A C.O. that's been referred to counselors for obvious reasons. A cigar-smoking, 'shoots-from-the-hip', 'tells-it-like-he-sees-it' kind of guy who grimaces / smirks too much (or just at inconvenient times,) to the point it makes his Senior Staff subtly uncomfortable. Doesn't even think twice about staring at women in Ten Forward, despite the fact its obvious that he needs to hold himself to a far higher standard and deal with his issues in the holodeck like most 24th century bachelors.
Doesn't like many of his crew, (refers to Cardassians as 'Spoonheads' & Humans as 'Pink-Skins' or Tellarites as 'guinea pigs', regardless of whether or not they're within earshot, etc.)
Doesn't think much of ramming a torpedo into a civilian transport with a shielded armory to find out for certain if there's biogenic weapons/components aboard, if the transport doesn't *IMMEDIATELY* react to a singular hail attempt within 5 seconds.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
A STAR TREK comedy is what they should try to do. Since several of the movies are so bad, they are actually funny, why not just make a comedy. Yeah, I know, GALAXY QUEST did this...but that was a movie. I mean a series.
By the way, THE BIG BANG is, I think, a CLASSIC TV SHOW and will be seen as such years from now. To make a show, aimed at dorks (us I hate to say) and yet attract a large female audience as well is very incredible...
And last week's episode with Leonard's mom is now my favorite...
ROB
SCORIO
By the way, THE BIG BANG is, I think, a CLASSIC TV SHOW and will be seen as such years from now. To make a show, aimed at dorks (us I hate to say) and yet attract a large female audience as well is very incredible...
And last week's episode with Leonard's mom is now my favorite...
ROB
SCORIO
Hellsgate, is that "House"? I've never actually seen that show, but it's one everyone seems to be talking about.
I posted a story in fan-fiction that I thought could be the next series - before Enterprise was even suggested.
I mean, I thought it could be the next series back in the mid to late '90s. Then I posted some of what I wrote in fan fiction a couple years ago.
Anyway, it was kinda like what you suggested. Starfleet officer not happy with his (actually her) life such as it is. Always wanting something more. ...
I'll see if it wasn't pruned or deleted with the switch to v-bulletin. If it wasn't, I'll post a link.
and, RobertScorpio, it definately would have had a lot of comedy. With my warped sense of humor, how could it not?
Sorry, a search brings up nothing. Maybe, I'll repost it. ..
I posted a story in fan-fiction that I thought could be the next series - before Enterprise was even suggested.
I mean, I thought it could be the next series back in the mid to late '90s. Then I posted some of what I wrote in fan fiction a couple years ago.
Anyway, it was kinda like what you suggested. Starfleet officer not happy with his (actually her) life such as it is. Always wanting something more. ...
I'll see if it wasn't pruned or deleted with the switch to v-bulletin. If it wasn't, I'll post a link.
and, RobertScorpio, it definately would have had a lot of comedy. With my warped sense of humor, how could it not?
Sorry, a search brings up nothing. Maybe, I'll repost it. ..
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hellsgate
Commodore
Jenee: if you can, just e-mail me the document (if you saved it on your drive somewhere in MS Word / Works.)
ufpi_morgan@hotmail.com / trekwriter31@yahoo.ca
ufpi_morgan@hotmail.com / trekwriter31@yahoo.ca
