another new season 2 trailer and poster

[fireproof78]

i get that this is a pretty stametsy face, but they couldn't make him look heroic on the poster like everyone else?

Probably because his future is uncertain, which is pretty common framing device for posters.

Finally got to watch it so I guess I will offer my own observations:

-Section 31 is referred to as "covert ops" to they have a current legitimate front for Starfleet. Consistent with what has been stated before, such as Starfleet not acknowledging or denying Section 31's existence, or their willingness to tolerate the tactics when they are useful.

-Spock smiling is unique enough that Pike might not have seen it in a while. It is certainly consistent with what is the popular perception of Spock.

-Less concerned with the presentation of another life ending catastrophe. I'll be more curious as to how it is presented across the show.

-Really interested to see Pike as captain.

-Only real disappointment is more Klingons. But, that's to be expected.

Overall, glad to see more.

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[WinstonSmith]

regarding the section 31 scene in the trailer, its pretty clearly joined together from a few different sources to deliver trailer exposition as quickly as possible (the bit where Burnham delivers the "you joined... section 31" v/o particularly sounds like spliced audio). So I highly doubt that this scene will appear in the series proper in anything like the format its displayed here.

With regards the rest of the trailer, I still think section 31 is a fundamentally stupid concept and part of a broader stain on contemporary discourse regarding the notion that nice things can only exist if there are 'hard men doing hard things' behind the scenes; a proposition which seems at odds with the traditionally liberal humanist position of star trek. I would frankly be happy if they just pretended that section 31 had never been thought up, so the fact that star trek in the 'kurtzman era' seems to be turning into the section 31 show is kind of disappointing, adding to the fact that 'evil emperor georgiou the merciless' is about the least interesting use of michelle yeoh I could imagine. And the red angels faith vs science I could take or leave; if its done well it could be great but going on the track record of season one it could also be really stupid; so I'll reserve judgement on that till I've actually seen the series.

But its overall a fun 'action' trailer, with good acting from what little can be seen of Pike and Spock and some good spectacle stuff; the visual effects look for now better than last year and it promises at least an enjoyable season ahead; lets hope the show itself can live up to it

 

[fireproof78]

And the red angels faith vs science I could take or leave; if its done well it could be great but going on the track record of season one it could also be really stupid; so I'll reserve judgement on that till I've actually seen the series.

Good point. I forgot about that part and meant to comment. Faith vs. Science is one that irritates me to no end, largely because Hollywood rarely handles religious faith well. But, I'm curious to see how it presented in this show, so I will reserve judgement on it.

 

[Ovation]

Hollywood rarely handles religious faith well

To be fair, it hardly does any better with science.

 

[fireproof78]

To be fair, it hardly does any better with science.

Eh, good point.

 

[NeoStar9]

Huh?



Maybe at this point in history S31 is just Starfleet's Black Ops, or it's just their cover story.

I'm thinking this is going to be the case or something like that. Section 31 at this point might indeed be the most covert ops sections of Starfleet. Maybe part of Starfleet Intelligence like many predicted last season. Something many people know exist. However they might be lead to believe they do one thing when in truth they do that and so much more.

Think of it like the NSA. Everyone knows it exist but very few people overall know what they really do, how they do it, etc or seen NSA agent or employee because of the secrecy and security clearances needed.

We could get an event that leads everyone to think they've been disbanded or simply they just get folded into another branch. At that point Starfleet just doesn't talk about them, restricts any word about them and those that knew about them openly just eventually die and the name gets lost to time. That's why by the time DS9 happens some people (just because those on DS9 didn't know the name doesn't mean others haven't heard about it some way) don't know the name yet at the same time Starfleet Command will not deny or confirm their existence because only the higher ups fully know about them.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm thinking this is going to be the case or something like that. Section 31 at this point might indeed be the most covert ops sections of Starfleet. Maybe part of Starfleet Intelligence like many predicted last season. Something many people know exist. However they might be lead to believe they do one thing when in truth they do that and so much more.

Think of it like the NSA. Everyone knows it exist but very few people overall know what they really do, how they do it, etc or seen NSA agent or employee because of the secrecy and security clearances needed.

We could get an event that leads everyone to think they've been disbanded or simply they just get folded into another branch. At that point Starfleet just doesn't talk about them, restricts any word about them and those that knew about them openly just eventually die and the name gets lost to time. That's why by the time DS9 happens some people (just because those on DS9 didn't know the name doesn't mean others haven't heard about it some way) don't know the name yet at the same time Starfleet Command will not deny or confirm their existence because only the higher ups fully know about them.

Way to reasonable for a fan theory

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Why does Spock look like some kind of hipster werewolf?

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[CorporalClegg]

I dunno. What does a hipster werewolf even look like?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I dunno. What does a hipster werewolf even look like?

No idea here mate.

Just to me he looks like a cross between a werewolf and a hipster.

 

[fireproof78]

Not seeing it.

 

[Cyrus]

I thought he said that about the Picard show, not DSC.

He said it about Picard and season 2 of Discovery.

 

[eschaton]

The only weird thing about Spock's beard is that it's undefined in the cheek area, but very well defined on the neck. I mean, if it's really a "lazy man beard" Spock grew because he was stranded somewhere he shouldn't have a shaved neck - he should be rocking an ugly beard like Ash was last season.

Unless Vulcans just don't grow facial hair below a perfectly sculpted jawline. Let's just pretend that is the answer here. Something new to add to canon!

 

[Tuskin38]

Why does Spock look like some kind of hipster werewolf?

He just looks like someone who hasn't shaved in a while. Not sure why you have to label it.

 

[The Lensman]

being happy for a genocidal tyrant getting a job offer from them like it's nothing is...not something most people would do.

There were plenty of fans of DS9 who wanted Dukat to become a member of the crew when he became a rebel. They thought of him as some sort of cool anti-hero. Thankfully Ron Moore said that, and I'm paraphrasing here "Throwing the emperor down a chasm doesn't erase all the war crimes and atrocities you've committed, nor does it redeem you at all."

I remember agreeing with that because I always thought Vader's "redemption" was stupid for the reason Moore essentially stated. I also thought Trek fans were stupid for wanting Dukat as part of the crew for the same reason. And by "crew", I mean in the same way Garak or Quark was. Not actual Starfleet or anything.

 

[DaveyNY]

Not a fan of this Section 31 inclusion. Seems unnecessary. Control wouldn’t be this sloppy.

Agent 86 & 99 would beg to differ with you...

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[Vger23]

I'm pretty sure in 1964 it was meant as they showed it. I know we like to think better of those characters now.

But damn, not only knowing S31 exists but being happy for a genocidal tyrant getting a job offer from them like it's nothing is...not something most people would do.

There were plenty of fans of DS9 who wanted Dukat to become a member of the crew when he became a rebel. They thought of him as some sort of cool anti-hero. Thankfully Ron Moore said that, and I'm paraphrasing here "Throwing the emperor down a chasm doesn't erase all the war crimes and atrocities you've committed, nor does it redeem you at all."

I remember agreeing with that because I always thought Vader's "redemption" was stupid for the reason Moore essentially stated. I also thought Trek fans were stupid for wanting Dukat as part of the crew for the same reason. And by "crew", I mean in the same way Garak or Quark was. Not actual Starfleet or anything.

The difference here being that it's very clear that Pike has no idea that Gorgeau is from the MU. He very clearly calls her "Captain," so it's obvious that Starfleet is holding the cover story and keeping the MU top secret.

Obvious, unless of course people are looking for a reason to be mad.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, Michelle Yeoh said at New York Comic-Con that Pike doesn't know who she is.

Remember, all the MU stuff was classified.

Though I could see Burnham or one of the other crew that know disobeying those orders and telling Pike if she thought it was absolutely necessary.

 

[The Lensman]

The difference here being that it's very clear that Pike has no idea that Gorgeau is from the MU. He very clearly calls her "Captain," so it's obvious that Starfleet is holding the cover story and keeping the MU top secret.

Obvious, unless of course people are looking for a reason to be mad.

Well I get what your saying, and yes, it makes sense that Pike wouldn't know about her not being the real captain. I just find it funny that people are upset about this when quite a few Trek fans back in the day wanted a mass murdering war criminal as part of the gang.

 

[Lord Garth]

There were plenty of fans of DS9 who wanted Dukat to become a member of the crew when he became a rebel. They thought of him as some sort of cool anti-hero. Thankfully Ron Moore said that, and I'm paraphrasing here "Throwing the emperor down a chasm doesn't erase all the war crimes and atrocities you've committed, nor does it redeem you at all."

I remember agreeing with that because I always thought Vader's "redemption" was stupid for the reason Moore essentially stated. I also thought Trek fans were stupid for wanting Dukat as part of the crew for the same reason. And by "crew", I mean in the same way Garak or Quark was. Not actual Starfleet or anything.

Same here. At the time, I thought having Dukat be on friendly terms with the DS9 crew was too weird. There was a line at the end of an episode in S4 where Dukat arranges for Ziyal to live on the station and Dukat tells Kira about how their lives have become deeply intertwined, Kira seemed amused by this, and Dukat said it gave him reason to live. "Happy" ending. That just felt 10 kinds of wrong to me, even back then.

For the Record: I like Emperor Georgiou as a rogue. Whoever doesn't know she's from the MU, I don't care if they're friendly with her. Burnham and Saru, on the other hand, should always feel on edge. Maybe conflicted because they can't separate her from the Captain they used to know, but that's as far as I'd go.