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Another George Lucas Star Wars live action TV show thread!

I did mention the issue of volume up at the top of this page, and I agree - but like I also said, would a Star Wars TV show need to have a 15 minute action sequence every week?
I'm not even necessarily saying an action scene every week. But maybe we have some conference scene on a planet like Coruscant and we have some big windows that look out onto the planet and all the buzzing activity there and boom.

Or to fit the 'bounty hunter' idea, maybe we have a seedy hive of scum and villainy that the bounty hunter's hanging out in, a real cantina environment with a half-dozen seedy-looking CGI aliens skulking about all over the frame.

That kind of thing.
Sure initial "per episode investment", but you save the models (physical and CGI files), set pieces, etc and reuse them in future stories to reduce costs later. You definitely can't run a TV Series with completely new Sets, establishing shots, CGI Files, Physical Models, etc every week

Sure there's nothing wrong with adding something new every week, and it's to be encouraged, reduces costs as the series continues in longevity and makes it more exciting. But, you do need to take advantage of those previously built assets to stretch the budget.
 
Yeah, I recall that. Here's what Woookiepedia has to say on the matter:

Lucas and McCallum interviewed over 200 prospective writers for the series from all over the world—including England, the United States, Paris, Prague, Budapest, and Australia. According to McCallum, Lucas was looking for "writers of real signifigance". Writers of the Star Wars books and comics were considered as part of the final interview process in September. Reportedly, writers were also considered from Battlestar Galactica, Heroes, and Lost. Former Doctor Who writer Russell T Davies was asked to write for the show, but turned it down due to wanting to start his own projects in a different style to both franchises, though he did say he would be very jealous when he found out who was hired.

The interview process was supposedly finished by September 2007, with the story outlines taking shape over the next three months after that. In the end, six writers were hired and were expected to start work in November 2007. A writing conference was scheduled for late 2007, and sessions had began by August 2008. The entire first season will be written, then filmed, before soliciting the first season, working on the following seasons once it has a home. The first season's scripts are currently being written. The writers worked with the art department, which has been working to design sets, environments, vehicles and aliens since 2007. As of September 2010, 50 hours worth of episodes plus a "movie-of-the-week" had been written.
So, if this spiel's to be believed, there's between six and seven writers who have already written a ton of stuff and they remain completely anonymous. I'd find it hard to believe they'd still be anonymous if they were indeed staffers from BSG, Lost or Heroes, but hell, I could be wrong there.

There was a J. Michael Straczinski TV Series Runner Job hinted at a few years back, that never was revealed, I believe and I recall speculation that it might be Star Wars. I think I remember JMS implying the results of this series would be exciting for someone.

(((((Jan-Signal)))))
 
Some of the ANH Tatooine material was shot in America.
Wasn't that just interiors, or did they actually shoot some of the desert stuff in America?

Does it matter? They can film Tatooine for this series in America if they want to. It will look close enough. Or they could decide to film everything in Australia and use the Outback for Tatooine.
 
Some of the ANH Tatooine material was shot in America.
Wasn't that just interiors, or did they actually shoot some of the desert stuff in America?

Does it matter? They can film Tatooine for this series in America if they want to. It will look close enough. Or they could decide to film everything in Australia and use the Outback for Tatooine.

CANON VIOLATION!!!
 
Kegg said:
did they actually shoot some of the desert stuff in America?

Some of the Tatooine material is Death Valley.

Temis the Vorta said:
It seems to be absolutely vital that Lucas has some smart, talented collaborator that he respects enough that he'll listen to outside advice. Otherwise, he makes the most amazingly obvious and fundamental writing mistakes.

Such as?
 
Does it matter? They can film Tatooine for this series in America if they want to.

You can also make a space opera TV series for a reasonable budget if you want to. All the Star Treks, the new Battlestar Galactica, et cetera are proof of that.

But Lucas is suggesting there's things he wants done on the TV series that he can't budget for TV, which implies that this is going to be a pretty ambituous program as far as the visuals go.

There was a J. Michael Straczinski TV Series Runner Job hinted at a few years back, that never was revealed, I believe and I recall speculation that it might be Star Wars.

Sounds like the ultimate fanboy dream, that. Could do worse then JMS, really, but I wouldn't bet on Straczynski being involved.
 
McCallum speaks (from Czechposition.com via The Force.net):

On production:

"We have 50 hours of third-draft scripts, but the problem we have is there is a lot of digital animation; we don’t have the technology yet to be able to do them at a price that is safe for television. Since we would be financing them, it would be suicide for us to do this [now]. So we are going to wait three or four years."


"Network television and cable television as we know it are completely imploding, so we’re not really sure that in five years’ time we can release a dramatic one-hour episode because it is all reality TV now."
On content:

“It takes place between episodes three and four, when Luke Skywalker was growing up as a teenager, but it has nothing to do with Luke,” he said, adding that there is no young Luke Skywalker in any of the episodes.

“Basically, it is like ‘The Godfather’; it’s the Empire slowly building up its power base around the galaxy, what happens in Coruscant, which is the major capital, and it’s [about] a group of underground bosses who live there and control drugs, prostitution,” McCallum said.
Space prostitution - woot!
 
I'm looking forward to the latest episode of Game of Thrones, the second seasons of Boardwalk Empire and Treme, the fifth season of Dexter, I really should catch up on Mad Men, and some people say Walking Dead isn't terrible.

I guess it is all reality TV these days.

And a power play series with adult content? Not really what I expected, and I wouldn't put money on how 'adult' the adult is (perhaps less juvenile than the Clone Wars's handling of Coruscant criminal rackets, but not by much) - on the other hand, in theory I'd like a cool Empire series.
 
McCallum said:
"Network television and cable television as we know it are completely imploding, so we’re not really sure that in five years’ time we can release a dramatic one-hour episode because it is all reality TV now."

This reminds me of something, oh what could it be?

Oh yeah, it's the reason that was given for releasing the OT DVDs in 2004 even though they had already said the saga would be released in numerical sequence. The reason? Because there supposedly wouldn't even be a DVD market by 2007.

How did that prediction turn out in the end, again?

Kegg said:
I'm looking forward to the latest episode of Game of Thrones, the second seasons of Boardwalk Empire and Treme, the fifth season of Dexter, I really should catch up on Mad Men, and some people say Walking Dead isn't terrible.

I guess it is all reality TV these days.

What Kegg said.

Lucas' inner circle is apparently populated not just by yes-men but also sky-is-falling prognosticators/excuse-makers who are always wrong.
 
From what I can find, Game of Thrones, et. al. per episode budget is in the $2M to $5M range. From Lucas' comments, he seems to be wanting to produce something with the FX of a theatrical release, which he's stated would be $50M to $60M per hour. Even if you reduce that number assuming amortization of standing sets, models, etc., you're still talking an order of magnitude more expensive than current shows with top-level production values.

Moreover, reality TV is going to continue to be a major factor in the TV landscape. It's just much cheaper to produce and has the potential to grab as many eyeballs (and sell as many ads) as the best scripted show. I think McCallum overstates and oversimplifies that scripted drama will be completely gone in five years. However, I don't think its unrealistic to think that its going to be tough to sell an extremely expensive space opera, even one carrying the magic Star Wars brand, and recoup their costs.

This is an issue of getting the product he wants at a price that makes business sense, not of listening to "yes-men" or "sky-is-falling prognosticators/excuse-makers."
 
From what I can find, Game of Thrones, et. al. per episode budget is in the $2M to $5M range. From Lucas' comments, he seems to be wanting to produce something with the FX of a theatrical release, which he's stated would be $50M to $60M per hour.

Oh, totally. My comment at Game of Thrones was hardly to suggest the series has the kind of cinematic budgetary heft that'd fit a Star Wars title - it's sweeping and epic and all that but still very much a TV series. When they went to a castle that rises perilously high in a huge mountain range, the series ignored the lengthy climb up the cliff-face seen in the books. That bit is the kind of indulgent eye candy that I'm sure will be pretty mandatory for a Star Wars show.

But TV isn't all reality TV, and if it's going to be all reality TV in five years I totally did not get the memo. I'm not any kind of expert on TV, let alone American TV, but cable dramas look assuredly non-dead to me. McCallum didn't say reality TV is 'part of the landscape', which has been true for well over a decade now (long before the first hints of this show were announced, at that).

However, I don't think its unrealistic to think that its going to be tough to sell an extremely expensive space opera, even one carrying the magic Star Wars brand, and recoup their costs.

Oh, obviously. I can see why this series would be considered prohibitively expensive, and have argued as such upthread. It clearly wants to do way more SFX than is the norm for television.
 
But TV isn't all reality TV, and if it's going to be all reality TV in five years I totally did not get the memo. I'm not any kind of expert on TV, let alone American TV, but cable dramas look assuredly non-dead to me. McCallum didn't say reality TV is 'part of the landscape', which has been true for well over a decade now (long before the first hints of this show were announced, at that).

Yep, agreed. Maybe he was overgeneralizing to make a rhetorical point, but I don't think scripted drama (even the high-value, expensive kind) is going completely away.

I wonder if they will approach one of the pay networks, like HBO, and hit them up to defray costs. I've never signed up to a premium channel in nearly 20 years of having a cable subscription, but I sure would for this.
 
Too expensive to make, huh?
Maybe Lucas should turn the Untitled Star Wars Live Action Series into a reality show. After all, what's more real than space-soap fantasy?
 
“Basically, it is like ‘The Godfather’; it’s the Empire slowly building up its power base around the galaxy, what happens in Coruscant, which is the major capital, and it’s [about] a group of underground bosses who live there and control drugs, prostitution,” McCallum said.
Yeah, that's what I like about TV as a medium. It permits content like drugs and prostitution that you can't get in films.
 
The problem isn't that this show would cost too much too make... It's that Lucas is incapable of putting out a Star Wars product that doesn't rely on effects to drive 80% of the story (See prequels).

If an actual showrunner was brought-in and given the reign of the project I'm sure a Star Wars live action series could be delivered that isn't a weekly series where each episode is around 44 minutes long with 30 minutes of effects.
 
The only thing keeping The Clone Wars looking the way it is is a stylistic choice. That's it. If they wanted to make it photoreal, I'm positive they could do so with the environments and vehicles in no time, and the aliens and droids too. If Lucas can afford to make 24x20 minute episodes of The Clone Wars, I can't see a reason why a Live Action Star Wars TV show can't run a 12 episode season. In terms of workload, it should be identical to what is being done on The Clone Wars.
 
The only thing keeping The Clone Wars looking the way it is is a stylistic choice. That's it. If they wanted to make it photoreal, I'm positive they could do so with the environments and vehicles in no time, and the aliens and droids too.

You may want to define what you mean by photoreal. If you mean he could adopt a less cartoonish style, like, for example, the three BioWare trailers for their upcoming Star Wars MMO:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w[/yt]

Then yes, perhaps, although I assume 22 minutes of this in an episode is probably more expensive then the Clone Wars show.

The thing is, at any point watching this trailer did you think anything wasn't CGI? Does this look like something you could just drop an actor into and make it look plausible?

Clearly, the kind of money needed to make CGI plausible enough to pass Lucas' muster is more than the amount it'd be profitable or advisable to invest in a TV show. I can buy that argument, pretty frankly.
 
Someone posted this in another board.


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The problem isn't that this show would cost too much too make... It's that Lucas is incapable of putting out a Star Wars product that doesn't rely on effects to drive 80% of the story (See prequels).

If an actual showrunner was brought-in and given the reign of the project I'm sure a Star Wars live action series could be delivered that isn't a weekly series where each episode is around 44 minutes long with 30 minutes of effects.

Yup. I'm finally throwing in the towel on my Mr. Lucas apolegetics. But, I'll remain respectful. Thanks for a wonderful saga, but please stop the focus on rollercoaster effects laden stuff. We have six films and hours or Clone Wars cartoons and video games for that.

I think, what people were looking forward to, and Mr. Lucas mentioned himself was a gritty, crime noir opera in space. "Deadwood minus the profanity" is exaclty what we want. Taut writing centered on engrossing plot twists and compelling characters is the only FX we need. The 1940s noir comment is very exciting as long as they follow through. This is what people want I think----the gritty elements seen in the Cantina, Han cutting open a taun-taun like some space-Bear Grylls----"I love you: I know." And many funny lines from the first two films----"I care!"

Uncle Owen gruffness----surviving on moisture farming---trading with jawas---the backwater outer rim and dirty inner rim of the bounty hunter and pirates couple with good story telling and writing with plenty of light hearted humor!

Screw the CG! How about one nice CG effect per episode? Star Trek used salt shakers for goodness sakes and people still watch it!
 
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