Anne Rice Trolls Twilight
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That's not true. The "social" usage is not only wrong it's actively harmful. It lessons the horrible crime of pedophilia (sleeping with a pre-pubescent child by comparing it to sleeping with a 16 year old. Which isn't even a crime in most of the world or even in a large chunk of the US.
The medical use is the correct use. You are in the wrong here.
EDIT I see this has been resolved but it's still a big peeve of mine. It's damaging to misuse the word pedophilia.
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Poor Vulgar, never gonna live that down on this thread....
And agree with you on the usage Aeolusdallas, but lets put this to sleep
Really? That makes all the low-budget camp even more hilarious.
I actually think the movies are too serious. They would be so much better if there was more humor.
Paramount actually held the movie rights first and they almost turned Twilight into a weird action movie and that had absolutely nothing to do with the books. Probably every author's worst nightmare. However Paramount eventually sold the movie rights, something they have to regret to this day, to Summit.
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/0...-kristen-stewart-stephenie-meyer-mark-morgan/
That just described a movie I might have actually gone to see. Unlike the one they made.
But it would have had nothing to do with the book. I doubt it would be as big as what Twilight is right now.
Besides, the movies with Vampires and gun action have already been done with the Underworld series. Now those movies are full of blood, violence, nudity and Kate Beckinsale in black leather. Cool for guys, but many girls probably see them as dumb action movies.
How did I forget - the vampires lead by Herrick in season 1 of Being Human were also planning world domination.
Speaking as a female for myself, I am not a Twilight fan. I don't care who Bella "really" loves and consider her to be one of the dumbest females ever put to the page.
However, I loved Buffy/Angel and I am currently watching the Vampire Diaries.
On Buffy I loved Spike and think that is what got me hooked. I started watching about the time Angel lost his soul and Spike was in a wheelchair. Plus Buffy could kick butt. I was a college student at the time and loved that she could save herself.
I loved Underworld but hated the subsequent films. Two was just blood and gore galore, and the prequel left me cold. I loved Lucian in number 1 but was underwhelmed by how the love story played out on screen.
I guess I just like a little more combat, death, mythos and destruction in my vampire stories.
What I like best about the Vampire Diaries is its surrounding mythos. I dont' care about the Damon/Stefan/Elena triangle. I actually find most of the other characters more compelling.
I am going to check out Anno Dracula and Necroscope thanks to this thread.
However, I loved Buffy/Angel and I am currently watching the Vampire Diaries.
On Buffy I loved Spike and think that is what got me hooked. I started watching about the time Angel lost his soul and Spike was in a wheelchair. Plus Buffy could kick butt. I was a college student at the time and loved that she could save herself.
I loved Underworld but hated the subsequent films. Two was just blood and gore galore, and the prequel left me cold. I loved Lucian in number 1 but was underwhelmed by how the love story played out on screen.
I guess I just like a little more combat, death, mythos and destruction in my vampire stories.
What I like best about the Vampire Diaries is its surrounding mythos. I dont' care about the Damon/Stefan/Elena triangle. I actually find most of the other characters more compelling.
I am going to check out Anno Dracula and Necroscope thanks to this thread.
But it would have had nothing to do with the book. I doubt it would be as big as what Twilight is right now.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Anyway, as a guy I though the original movie was alright. It has enough action in the end.
New Moon, on the other hand, was incredibly disappointing. The main conflict is solved by talking (it would have been much more interesting if Bella had killed a few of the Volturi at the end) and the secondary conflict is left unresolved.
Breaking Dawn is likely to be disappointing for the same reason.
I gave the movies an honest shot, but I just couldn't get into them. Sorry. I know a lot of people obviously have, and that's fine. I'm not going to hate on those fans. It's a waste of time. I just found the movies to be poorly written and directed with equally poor acting. I don't think it's a coincidence that I laughed harder at the Rifftrax commentaries for those films than I have at any other one I've seen.
They're just fluff movies. Every generation of films has had them. This isn't a new thing. You either dig them, or you don't.
I've got my vampire movies, and the "Twilight" fans can have theirs. If they want to see some of mine, then awesome, but I tried their movies, and I quite frankly wanted to shove a fork in my throat. That's just me.
They're just fluff movies. Every generation of films has had them. This isn't a new thing. You either dig them, or you don't.
I've got my vampire movies, and the "Twilight" fans can have theirs. If they want to see some of mine, then awesome, but I tried their movies, and I quite frankly wanted to shove a fork in my throat. That's just me.
The author wanted the entire point of the bad guys in NM to be that they were too big to fight. They had to be reasoned with. Any wrong word and they were dead.
It would be laughable for a regular girl to fight and beat several thousand year old vampires that also have super powers. This isn't a bad femistist show with a skinny girl making bad jokes while she beats up monsters.
Buffy, being a TV show, suffered from budget formula restrictions that a literature and motion pictures do not.
Bella had prep time, which means that she could do things like renting a truck and filling it with ANFO. I believe that the OKC bombing was a rather effective demonstration of how destructive a truck filled with multiple tons of high explosives can be. It's not something that requires special skills to mix together. You can get instructions for doing it on the internet.
There's also the fact that those superpowers don't work on robots. With prep time she could get some remote controlled drones. While Twilight vampires are bulletproof to an absurd degree, drones equipped with flamethrowers and large incendiary bombs should be effective.
No, and unfortunately it also isn't the great feminist show with a skinny girl making witty jokes while she beats up monsters.
It's a very bad, boring anti-feminist book & movie franchise with no humor or real action or wit and with a dull, bland girl not doing anything but except swooning over an almost equally bland guy who's called a 'vampire' for some weird reason.
I actually liked Buffy most of the time, thought Angel was way better, but it did have plenty of flaws that people never seem to mention. The show was quite cheesy. Also it ALWAYS bugged me that there was some big Watchers Council in the background that never once helped Buffy when she needed them, even when the world was at stake.
That is something Buffy would do not Bella. She is as dumb as bricks which is why she rushed into Italy completely unprepared with only one vampire with her.
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I think you're missing the fact that this is primarily a romance series and not a military war gaming action thingie.
It's like wondering why there are no battleships and cannons in Wuthering Heights . . . .
Wuthering Heights does have some space for wartime antics, what with that chunk of Heathcliff's life being completely glossed over.
But Twilight has actual vampire warfare in two books. You can't really claim isn't not that sort of series, because it is. It all builds up to a giant battle for the fate of the world and then it ends with a giant cop-out.
The entire book really builds up to this giant climatic confrontation. All of the ducks are in a row. The author has handed out enough plot devices that the protagonists have a fighting chance. The twins can disable armies with their mental powers and Bella develops a psychic shield cable of defending all of her allies. Renata shields Aro constantly and Renesmee develops a shield-breaker power.
Chekhov's gun, people. You don't introduce fourth-act superpowers if you aren't going to use them to solve the plot.
Then they gather enough allies to effectivly wage a war and overthrow the Volturi. It's a great set-up. It shows Edward growing from an empty shell just going through the motions to an effective leader thanks to the power of love. It shows Bella growing from a love-struck girl who was in way over her head into a strong and ruthless woman thanks to the power of motherhood and vampirism.
And then we get nothing. Chekhov's gun was loaded, cocked, and pointed at Aro's head. Everything was set up to end with Bella and Edward being crowned the new Queen and King of the undead, which is exactly how a fairytale romance is supposed to end. The ball was dropped hard.
The ball was also dropped in New Moon. The central conflict of the story was boring as all hell. The secondary conflict, though interesting, went nowhere. But at least we know that it was a set-up for the next two parts, that it would have a pay off eventually. Breaking Dawn lacks an excuse in that regard.
Most romances in with the bloody deaths of the leading couple's enemies, so saying it's a romance isn't really an answer to the problem of foreshadowed conflict being completely avoided.