Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador kit!
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Re: Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador ki
I'd love to see Andy do a book...
DS9Sega said:
^^^You want a book, huh?
I'd love to see Andy do a book...
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I'd be wary of excluding that last bit.
I'd be wary of excluding that last bit.
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Updated:
http://www.probertdesigns.com/Folder_STORE/Folder_CONCEPT-KITS/ART/AmbassPROG.jpg
Updated:
http://www.probertdesigns.com/Folder_STORE/Folder_CONCEPT-KITS/ART/AmbassPROG.jpg
GodThingFormerly
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Re: Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador ki
^ Except that Probert's Ambassador has straight, diagonal nacelle pylons redolent of the original NCC-1701 (and Refit) as opposed to those fugly perpendicular monstrosities on the Excelsior and Galaxy.
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^ Except that Probert's Ambassador has straight, diagonal nacelle pylons redolent of the original NCC-1701 (and Refit) as opposed to those fugly perpendicular monstrosities on the Excelsior and Galaxy.
TGT
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I liked the barrel roll at the end.
No, wait - THAT was the fighter...
I liked the barrel roll at the end.
No, wait - THAT was the fighter...
GodThingFormerly
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Magnficent! Andrew, I must say that I far prefer this design to your Galaxy Class, to say nothing of ILM's hideous mutant bastard interloper Excelsior.
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Magnficent! Andrew, I must say that I far prefer this design to your Galaxy Class, to say nothing of ILM's hideous mutant bastard interloper Excelsior.
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I like how this design, while obviously an evolutionary link between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes, has its own distinct character. Although I like both the Excelsior and the Galaxy a great deal, this design is distinct and graceful enough to be the "next generation" of the TMP-era Constitution, ignoring the Excelsior and Galaxy altogether.
Can't wait to see the secondary hull and nacelle pylons...
I like how this design, while obviously an evolutionary link between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes, has its own distinct character. Although I like both the Excelsior and the Galaxy a great deal, this design is distinct and graceful enough to be the "next generation" of the TMP-era Constitution, ignoring the Excelsior and Galaxy altogether.
Can't wait to see the secondary hull and nacelle pylons...
GodThingFormerly
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My thoughts precisely.
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My thoughts precisely.
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Funny, I thought that's what the Sovereign was supposed to be.
Great stuff! The neck section is coming along nicely. Whatever that ribbed part on the neck is, watching it fly past sure brings pleasure to me.
Mark
Funny, I thought that's what the Sovereign was supposed to be.
Great stuff! The neck section is coming along nicely. Whatever that ribbed part on the neck is, watching it fly past sure brings pleasure to me.
Mark
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EDIT: This may sound a little too critical, but it's not intended to be that way at all. Bear with me here.
Sorry to be the dissonance in the chorus, but the front edge of the neck on this thing is terrible. It's way too wide, and it also looks as you are doing away with the molded/sculpted aspect of the torpedo launchers, as seen in the painting (though I can understand if you are waiting for the hull to be lofted before finalizing that area.)
From an evolutionary standpoint, the current neck is a good stepping stone from the fat, slanted, block-neck Excelsior to the rather feminine, sweeping, triangular neck of the Galaxy.
As an artistic feature, however, it's ugly and very ham-fisted solution, which is odd, considering that your painting had a perfect intermediate shape for the neck. It may bit a little close to what Rick and Jein had ended up with, but Rick did use your painting and sketch as a basis.
I completely understand it's your prerogative, but I ask you to consider it. From one artist (if I can even be considered that, in comparison) to another.
EDIT: This may sound a little too critical, but it's not intended to be that way at all. Bear with me here.
Sorry to be the dissonance in the chorus, but the front edge of the neck on this thing is terrible. It's way too wide, and it also looks as you are doing away with the molded/sculpted aspect of the torpedo launchers, as seen in the painting (though I can understand if you are waiting for the hull to be lofted before finalizing that area.)
From an evolutionary standpoint, the current neck is a good stepping stone from the fat, slanted, block-neck Excelsior to the rather feminine, sweeping, triangular neck of the Galaxy.
As an artistic feature, however, it's ugly and very ham-fisted solution, which is odd, considering that your painting had a perfect intermediate shape for the neck. It may bit a little close to what Rick and Jein had ended up with, but Rick did use your painting and sketch as a basis.
I completely understand it's your prerogative, but I ask you to consider it. From one artist (if I can even be considered that, in comparison) to another.
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I forgot to mention in my previous post that I'm very curious about how the deflector dish is going to look. I suspect that it may be quite different than what we see in the painting, just based on the apparent contours of the secondary hull.
For example, maybe it'll be circular.
We shall see...
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I'm very curious about how the deflector dish is going to look. I suspect that it may be quite different than what we see in the painting, just based on the apparent contours of the secondary hull.
For example, maybe it'll be circular.
We shall see...
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Actually, I'd love to see it be a parabola, but with "trimmed edges" to match the hull shape. That's pretty easy to model... (the parabola itself is a revolved shape, and you'd then trim it based upon a projected curve as seen from either the front or the side.
If it's an obround parabola (that is, both the lateral and horizontal projections are parabolic, but the front projection of the untrimmed shape is a mathematically-correct oval shape) I could live with that too.
Just try, please, to make it something that has that "real world" parabolic reflector effect if you can. Puh-lease?
FalTorPan said:
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I'm very curious about how the deflector dish is going to look. I suspect that it may be quite different than what we see in the painting, just based on the apparent contours of the secondary hull.
For example, maybe it'll be circular.
We shall see...
Actually, I'd love to see it be a parabola, but with "trimmed edges" to match the hull shape. That's pretty easy to model... (the parabola itself is a revolved shape, and you'd then trim it based upon a projected curve as seen from either the front or the side.
If it's an obround parabola (that is, both the lateral and horizontal projections are parabolic, but the front projection of the untrimmed shape is a mathematically-correct oval shape) I could live with that too.
Just try, please, to make it something that has that "real world" parabolic reflector effect if you can. Puh-lease?
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I will, therefore, take an unprecedented second look at it.
And a side note to everyone who is comparing the painting (too closely) to the (evolving) final model: The actual original length of that painted ship itself is about 3 INCHES. It was hastily put together to be used (rejected) for a scene in a first season episode. The side profile, refined for the history wall, is what I'm following more closely to develop what you're seeing as a WIP.
Andrew-
Interestingly subtle and somewhat understated,...yet I think I know what you're hinting at.
I will, therefore, take an unprecedented second look at it.
Indeed. A closer look at that painting will reveal the leading edge of the engineering hull does swell up in front of the dorsal's leading edge,... that currently 'ham-fisted one'. What you're looking at is the basic niche of those launchers, behind what will be the molded/sculpted openings to which you're referring.
And a side note to everyone who is comparing the painting (too closely) to the (evolving) final model: The actual original length of that painted ship itself is about 3 INCHES. It was hastily put together to be used (rejected) for a scene in a first season episode. The side profile, refined for the history wall, is what I'm following more closely to develop what you're seeing as a WIP.
Andrew-
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Hey Andy, what modeling program are you using?
Hey Andy, what modeling program are you using?
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If the past is any guide, I'm sure you know what I'm hinting at.
Interesting fact about the painting's actual size (and bravo for jamming so much detail into it.) actual size.
I could tell that the painting wasn't the same design as the profile right off the bat, but I do think it has the right "character" for the Ambassador. Also, you never know if some ideas are good until you've discarded them.
If the past is any guide, I'm sure you know what I'm hinting at.
Interesting fact about the painting's actual size (and bravo for jamming so much detail into it.) actual size.
I could tell that the painting wasn't the same design as the profile right off the bat, but I do think it has the right "character" for the Ambassador. Also, you never know if some ideas are good until you've discarded them.
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