I have already stopped watching TOS years ago when I heard what happend to Grace Lee Whitney.
Watching any Star Trek feeds money into the coffers of the Roddenberry clan. It is pretty clear that Roddenberry himself was a sexual predator.
I have already stopped watching TOS years ago when I heard what happend to Grace Lee Whitney.
To me the disturbing part is that you have so many "open secrets" yet everyone studiously ignored the problem until it became impossible to ignore.Anyone who pretends that this sort of thing never happens in Hollywood is deluded or a liar. It's always been an open secret -- heck, for generations, it was considered business as usual. I recently saw an old news clipping of actress Maureen O'Hara complaining that Hollywood executives were spreading rumors that she was a cold fish and unfeminine because she wouldn't sit on their laps or let them make out with her or feel her up. For a long time, this was seen as normal, expected behavior for Hollywood executives, even as something they were entitled to. We Star Trek fans have long heard the stories about Gene Roddenberry's constant philandering and sleeping with actresses, and it's always been presented as something consensual, a matter of women finding him irresistible and Roddenberry just going along with it. But lately I'm compelled to admit that it was probably something more coercive and predatory than that, at least in some cases. It's something that a person in a position of authority should not be doing with the people whose careers he has power over. But it's something that the men in positions of authority in Hollywood (and in politics and industry and many other walks of life) have historically taken for granted as something they were entitled to do. And that presumption is still there to a large extent.
That's the thing -- most of these charges are about behaviors that have been open secrets in the industry for years, but that nobody's stood up and done anything about until now. Apparently Harvey Weinstein's actions and Brett Ratner's have been talked about in hushed tones for a long time now. I've been hearing stories for years about how well-known Eddie Berganza's abuses at DC were and how outrageous it was that DC refused to do anything about it. So anyone who claims these things don't happen has no credibility. Of course there are going to be some false accusations here and there. David Gerrold suggested on Facebook that at least one recent, uncorroborated charge might be the work of some right-wing troll trying to take advantage of the current climate to smear an innocent person. But if the producers of a lucrative entertainment franchise like the Arrowverse are willing to suspend one of the most important creators behind it, that indicates that they consider the charges credible enough to take seriously. It is hard to believe that so many different, unconnected people would conspire to fabricate charges against someone.
To me the disturbing part is that you have so many "open secrets" yet everyone studiously ignored the problem until it became impossible to ignore.
To me the disturbing part is that you have so many "open secrets" yet everyone studiously ignored the problem until it became impossible to ignore.
You forgot consuming their products like Star Trek TOS or Supergirl or Flash.
I have already stopped watching TOS years ago when I heard what happend to Grace Lee Whitney. Which I learned on this board btw but obviously I was the only to draw this conclusion. Don't forget that this whole forum centers around TV shows that created those "aberrations to human society" in the first place or enabled them to do what they did.
To me the disturbing part is that you have so many "open secrets" yet everyone studiously ignored the problem until it became impossible to ignore.
Yep - if GR had been doing today what he was doing from 1964-1968 while Executive Producing Star Trek, the show would have probably been cancelled and GR fired during the first season. (And no, I'm NOT joking.)Watching any Star Trek feeds money into the coffers of the Roddenberry clan. It is pretty clear that Roddenberry himself was a sexual predator.
Yes, people should stop watching movies and TV shows and listening to music.The way to prevent that more "aberrations" can build more money retreats is not to consume anything any further that comes from the cultural industry.
I find it odd that no women in the entertainment business have yet to be charged with these crimes. There have been an increasing number of ordinary women - especially female teachers - being accused of sexual harassment or assault. Yet no females in the entertainment business have been charged or accused so far. I find that odd.
It shouldn't feel odd. There aren't enough women in positions of power and authority for instances like this to occur at a comparative degree. If the numbers were equal, then the chance of predatory behavior by women holding power would probably be higher.I find it odd that no women in the entertainment business have yet to be charged with these crimes.
Yet no females in the entertainment business have been charged or accused so far. I find that odd.
None of this surprises me. Hollywood be Hollywoodin'.
But then, stereotypically, women tend not to be slobbering neanderthals, socialized to see themselves as entitled to treat males any way they please, subjecting them to unwanted, disrespectful verbal or physical abuse, and act as if there's nothing wrong with that.![]()
Politics is Hollywood for ugly people.Hollywoodin' seemed to be happening elsewhere, as well, thanks to the media frenzy over that Alabama senate candidate and ex-Pres. George HW Bush.
Politics is Hollywood for ugly people.![]()
Hollywoodin' seemed to be happening elsewhere, as well, thanks to the media frenzy over that Alabama senate candidate and ex-Pres. George HW Bush.
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