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Andrew Kreisberg susspended from The Flash following accusations of sexual harrassment

It happens everywhere, but Hollywood is the bigger story since so many of its mouthpieces sell themselves as the most tolerant, respectful, socially/morally correct of all, always pointing in judgement at all others (like their ideological opposites), while being the picture of deviant behavior--like Andrew Kreisberg and his industry enablers.
The same can be said for the group Moore and Bush are part of. You know, politicians.
 
The same can be said for the group Moore and Bush are part of. You know, politicians.

The key difference there is that politicians' misdeeds were always fodder for opponents, the media, and a cultural shift that automatically suspected or accused them in the post-1960s era. On the other side, the entertainment business has & continues to use its media / industry enablers to hide their subversive acts, while using that same media power / influence to sell themselves as beacons of culture and morality in a way that was--until recently, unchallenged. Yet we still see the corruption continue when (for example) Barbara Walters only turns the knife on an entertainer (Corey Feldman) when he maintains that pedophilia is a serious, active problem in Hollywood. In other words, if anyone dare expose one of the sick hallmarks of that business/culture, they are to be attacked instead of the entertainment business demons who continue to destroy lives.

But hey, its just their ideological opposites in politics who are the problem. Hollywood (in their self absorbed view) are the models of morality.
 
It happens everywhere, but conservative politics is the bigger story since so many of its mouthpieces sell themselves as the most pious, respectful, Christian of all, always pointing in judgement at all others (like their ideological opposites), while being the picture of deviant behavior.

Hey, that was easy.
 
Just curious but how is the investigation going on this case? How long until they determine what happened?


Jason
 
Just curious but how is the investigation going on this case? How long until they determine what happened?


Jason

No updates at the moment. I hope strings are not being pulled, and a full investigation / end result / information release can move forward.
 
Noticed last night that Kreisberg is still listed in the credits for Supergirl.

I guess his created by credit can't ever be taken away but what happens with his other credits for Supergirl and other CW shows he was involved with?

also apart from losing his paycheck for his current role will he lose money for residues or things like that down the track or the credits more "vanity" than actual a financial benefit?
 
I am just making a guess that any episodes currently in production credits will not be changed. Nothing will be changed unless he is terminated. But likely due to Union rules nothing will change this season at all. Some credits could holdover for the life of the series even if he is not involved at all.

Do not expect any news on this until a final descion is made.
 
One thing that's becoming increasingly obvious is just how widespread this kind of behavior has been among Hollywood creators for a long, long time. If we banished all their names, we'd have to strip away a vast number of credits -- Alfred Hitchcock, Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, etc., not to mention people in other industries like Isaac Asimov and Julius Schwartz. And let's face it -- probably Gene Roddenberry too.

Just trying to ignore these people and not think about them won't do any good in the long run. It's just avoiding dealing with reality, and that's exactly the wrong response.
 
"Probably" Gene Roddenberry? Even his hagiographer, David Alexander, included a story of Roddenberry making a very determined effort to pick up a friend's wife at a party, though he called it an example of irrepressible joie de vivre instead of creepy adulterous behaviour and unwanted attention. He doesn't come out looking too good in Susan Sackett's book, either.
 
A few people have brought up Bryan Singer's name here, but unless I'm mistaken, the accusations against him were investigated and proven to be false.

But he also discovered his bisexuality in the last round of accusations and he's now married to a woman. Convenient.
 
One thing that's becoming increasingly obvious is just how widespread this kind of behavior has been among Hollywood creators for a long, long time. If we banished all their names, we'd have to strip away a vast number of credits -- Alfred Hitchcock, Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, etc., not to mention people in other industries like Isaac Asimov and Julius Schwartz. And let's face it -- probably Gene Roddenberry too.

Probably Stan Lee too.
 
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It happens everywhere, but conservative politics is the bigger story since so many of its mouthpieces sell themselves as the most pious, respectful, Christian of all, always pointing in judgement at all others (like their ideological opposites)

Nice try. Again, politicians' misdeeds were always fodder for opponents, the media, and a cultural shift that automatically suspected or accused them in the post-1960s era. They were always under suspicion, or being investigated by the media, etc., while endless numbers in the entertainment business--selling themselves as being the finger-pointing, cultural/moral authority from On High (well, not On High, as they are largely a secular crowd) used the lure and power of the media--probably the most addictive, baiting true drug In world history--to abuse, manipulate and snare generation after generation, and shape younger generations to fall into the same trap, subjected to the worst of immoral actions. This is the same business that spent their time targeting this mayor or that governor (as long as he or she was in the "wrong" party), while ignoring their culture of sexual assault of adults and children, all the while patting themselves on the back for convincing the public to worship their every word, or follow whatever agenda that concluded with that business being the leaders of culture and morality.

There's no end to the exposure and punishment that innumerable members of that business deserve.[/QUOTE]
 

And there it is. I'd been wondering what would happen next creatively speaking if he were fired, and the article gives an answer:
Following his exit, Berlanti, co-creator/exec producer of the two series, will step in for him, assuming additional responsibilities on both The Flash, where he will work closely with executive producer/co-showrunner Todd Helbing, and Supergirl, where he will work closely with executive producers/co-showrunners Robert Rovner and Jessica Queller.

I was expecting they'd just promote Helbing, Rovner, and Queller from within, similarly to how the latter two took over from Ali Adler when she moved on. Berlanti himself coming back to a more hands-on creative role is a surprising but reassuring development.
 
And there it is. I'd been wondering what would happen next creatively speaking if he were fired, and the article gives an answer:


I was expecting they'd just promote Helbing, Rovner, and Queller from within, similarly to how the latter two took over from Ali Adler when she moved on. Berlanti himself coming back to a more hands-on creative role is a surprising but reassuring development.

I'm not surprised. Berlanti claims to have been blindsided by this whole Kreisberg business, and it directly affects his burgeoning little empire. You don't just move people one rung up in this situation. The solution is to either take the reins (at least temporarily) or get somebody from the outside to take over.
 
Him taking over does seem like the easiest way to handle the sudden gap in the productions teams. How much involvement has he had in Supergirl and The Flash before this? I thought he mostly just focused on Arrow.
 
I had the impression that Berlanti had reached the level where he wasn't day-to-day involved with any single show except to guide its creation and generally supervise the various showrunners. I mean, Berlanti Productions currently has six shows on the air -- the Arrowverse foursome, Riverdale, and Blindspot -- and is working on Black Lightning, Titans, The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, and a non-comics-based CW pilot called Searchers for next year. He's more like the admiral of the fleet than the captain of any single ship.
 
That makes sense. I have to admit, I get so focused on the Arrowverse that I often forget Berlanti has a whole production company that does other stuff too.
 
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