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Andorians and climate?

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I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?
 
We didn't see Andoria on Enterprise until Season 4, in 2005. The majority of the relaunch-- including Andor: Paradigm (2004) were released prior to that.
 
I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?

The Relaunch started before Enterprise brought Andor into the spotlight, so there are some inconsistencies in the books, but IIRC they were explained in later books (it's a while since I read the pre Mirror Universe - Relaunch novels).
 
I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?

The Relaunch started before Enterprise brought Andor into the spotlight, so there are some inconsistencies in the books, but IIRC they were explained in later books (it's a while since I read the pre Mirror Universe - Relaunch novels).

Thanks guys that what I figuered.
 
I gotta mention that the idea of a desert-world Andor goes at least as far back as Shane Johnson's 1989 World's of the Federation book.
Considering the Andorian's colouring and that they're the portrayed as the volotile opposites of the Vulcans, an ice world (opposite of desert Vulcan) makes sense.

Although I'm still not entirely sure if Andor is the same planet (or moon) as Andoria or not.
 
I gotta mention that the idea of a desert-world Andor goes at least as far back as Shane Johnson's 1989 World's of the Federation book.
Considering the Andorian's colouring and that they're the portrayed as the volotile opposites of the Vulcans, an ice world (opposite of desert Vulcan) makes sense.

Although I'm still not entirely sure if Andor is the same planet (or moon) as Andoria or not.

This is interesting.
 
I gotta mention that the idea of a desert-world Andor goes at least as far back as Shane Johnson's 1989 World's of the Federation book.
Considering the Andorian's colouring and that they're the portrayed as the volotile opposites of the Vulcans, an ice world (opposite of desert Vulcan) makes sense.

I often hear people expressing the idea that blue coloring "makes sense" on an ice world, but I don't understand the reasoning behind that assumption. I'm not aware of any arctic organisms on Earth with blue skin or hair. White would make more sense as a camouflage color. Blue coloring would only make sense as camouflage for an aquatic organism such as a whale or a fish.

All I can think of is that it's by association with human lips turning blue when the body is extremely chilled, but that's the result of insufficient circulation, and it makes no sense that a healthy organism adapted to a cold environment would have the same problems.

And how does opposition of culture correlate to opposition of environment? Remember, the Vulcans are intrinsically just as volatile as the Andorians. They adopted a logical way of life only a couple of millennia ago, a blink of the eye in evolutionary terms.

If anything, a warlike culture makes less sense in an arctic environment. Given the harshness of such an environment, arctic-dwelling humans tend to place a premium on sharing and cooperation with guests. Their enemies are the elements; they can't really afford the distraction of fighting with fellow humans.


Although I'm still not entirely sure if Andor is the same planet (or moon) as Andoria or not.

The behind-the-scenes reason for making Andoria a moon of a Jovian planet was to suggest that the Jovian was Andor and the moon was Andoria. However, the DS9 post-finale novels suggest that Andor is the indigenous name of the planet and Andoria is the Latinized form used by humans.
 
I gotta mention that the idea of a desert-world Andor goes at least as far back as Shane Johnson's 1989 World's of the Federation book.
Considering the Andorian's colouring and that they're the portrayed as the volotile opposites of the Vulcans, an ice world (opposite of desert Vulcan) makes sense.

I often hear people expressing the idea that blue coloring "makes sense" on an ice world, but I don't understand the reasoning behind that assumption. I'm not aware of any arctic organisms on Earth with blue skin or hair. White would make more sense as a camouflage color. Blue coloring would only make sense as camouflage for an aquatic organism such as a whale or a fish.

All I can think of is that it's by association with human lips turning blue when the body is extremely chilled, but that's the result of insufficient circulation, and it makes no sense that a healthy organism adapted to a cold environment would have the same problems.

And how does opposition of culture correlate to opposition of environment? Remember, the Vulcans are intrinsically just as volatile as the Andorians. They adopted a logical way of life only a couple of millennia ago, a blink of the eye in evolutionary terms.

If anything, a warlike culture makes less sense in an arctic environment. Given the harshness of such an environment, arctic-dwelling humans tend to place a premium on sharing and cooperation with guests. Their enemies are the elements; they can't really afford the distraction of fighting with fellow humans.


Although I'm still not entirely sure if Andor is the same planet (or moon) as Andoria or not.

The behind-the-scenes reason for making Andoria a moon of a Jovian planet was to suggest that the Jovian was Andor and the moon was Andoria. However, the DS9 post-finale novels suggest that Andor is the indigenous name of the planet and Andoria is the Latinized form used by humans.

This is interesting. SO it sounds like there was never any indication that Andor was a froxen world and the writers of Enterprise might have screwed this up?
 
^ Since we never saw Andor at all before that time, ENT cannot by definition have screwed up anything. They were free to invent whatever they wanted.
 
SO it sounds like there was never any indication that Andor was a froxen world and the writers of Enterprise might have screwed this up?

Manny Coto used an eBay purchase (of Mike Sussman's?) of the LUG "The Andorians: Among the Clans" RPG supplement when the Aenar arc was being written. That manual suggested that Andor was an ice world. They took inspiration for the environment from the cover art of the manual, and used information about weaponry, the duels and ice-cutting tools from the text.

Prior to that, I'm not sure that other sources (FASA, "ST Maps", "Worlds of Star Trek") mandated a desert world, though. The land-to-water ration is 15:85 in "Paradigm", IIRC.

http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/2009/10/homeworld-andoria.html
 
Blue = cold is the sort of cartoonish analogy one might expect from a universe featuring aliens that look exactly like humans except for 2 little antennae and blue skin. As is the Vulcan = hot, so enemy Andoria = cold one.

I wonder what would have happened if Mr. Sussman picked up Worlds of the Federation from eBay instead?

(*peers though Fringe alternate-universe window at Enterprise season five DVD box-set on shelf*)
 
It would be better if Andor was hot and Andorria where the Aenar lived was cold to differentiate them.
 
I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?

The Relaunch started before Enterprise brought Andor into the spotlight, so there are some inconsistencies in the books, but IIRC they were explained in later books (it's a while since I read the pre Mirror Universe - Relaunch novels).
I actually don't think it ever came up-- the relaunch had moved on from Andor by the time Enterprise season 4 was on.
 
I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?

The Relaunch started before Enterprise brought Andor into the spotlight, so there are some inconsistencies in the books, but IIRC they were explained in later books (it's a while since I read the pre Mirror Universe - Relaunch novels).
I actually don't think it ever came up-- the relaunch had moved on from Andor by the time Enterprise season 4 was on.

Probably, as I said it's some time since I read the novels.
 
From "The Mines of Selka", FASA, 1986

"In general the Humanoids of Andor are believed to have originated among the ice and glaciers of of the polar continent in the southern hemisphere of the planet."
 
I am alittle confused. I am currently reading the DSN relaunch and they keep describing that the climate on the station is too cold and not humid enough.

Is this just a mistake by the writer or was Enterprise no out yet because I thought Andor was a frozen moon?

The Relaunch started before Enterprise brought Andor into the spotlight, so there are some inconsistencies in the books, but IIRC they were explained in later books (it's a while since I read the pre Mirror Universe - Relaunch novels).
It's been a while since I read it, but I believe in the beginning of The Chimes At Midnight Thelin is working on an environmental project on Andor that it hints could be related to the differences of environment. It is an alternate universe, but I believe that the author, Geoff Trowbridge, intended for this to be an explanation for the Prime Universe as well.
 
It would be better if Andor was hot and Andorria where the Aenar lived was cold to differentiate them.

Which is, by default, what we have. The last outpost of the almost-mythical Aenar was underneath the ground on one of the arctic poles. Note that the Aenar have skin of the palest blue, so if you're seeking a camouflage/evolutionary trait reason for location you have one.

The other Andorians don't go near the pole. One of the major plot points of "Andor: Paradigm" is an unexpected example of an Andorian phenomenon of terrifying flash floods, which would definitely be a problem in the more temperate areas as huge amounts of snow and ice suddenly melt to produce those few warm days per year mentioned by Shran in ENT.

Also, remember that the world climate of Andor during ENT may well be different two centuries later for the DS9 Relaunch. Some fudging is possible.

From "The Mines of Selka", FASA, 1986:
"In general the Humanoids of Andor are believed to have originated among the ice and glaciers of of the polar continent in the southern hemisphere of the planet."

That sounds right for the FASA RPGs.
 
For what it's worth, Star Charts puts Andoria in orbit of Procyon, a star whose habitable zone is most likely disrupted by the gravitational influence of its white-dwarf companion. So the planet's orbit could change over time, sometimes plunging Andoria into an ice age, other times giving it a hotter climate.
 
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