Spoilers Andor season one

[Crewman6]

So, your issue is not with the overall story, but an unprecise labeling of the story. Got it.
By your logic Civil War should be labeled Captain America and Iron Man have a disagreement, where Iron Man is slightly in the wrong.
How do you cope with stories that don’t label the main character at all?

have you considered that Andor might not be the main character, but the catalyst for the events of the story?

Great points, except Iron Man was correct.

The finer points of that movie never made sense to me. As a (former?) military officer, Captain America's points were basically, "hey, it's fine to ignore the chain of command and go rogue whenever you want!" while the (formerly?) iconoclastic Tony Stark was advocating for oversight.

Strange take for the characters, but at least Stark's position demonstrated character growth and wasn't chosen at random just to provide conflict.

 

[Tuskin38]

except Iron Man was correct.

We must have watched different movies.

 

[Ithekro]

The show is about Andor and how his actions do bring about the Rebel Alliance. Therefore, we see what his actions do to Mon Mothma, who will lead said Alliance. Andor's actions do a cause and effect to Mon Mothma, which eventually will get them to the point where Mon Mothma is the one giving Andor the mission with Jyn Erso that leads to Andor going rogue to stop the Empire's Death Star, which leads to A New Hope. We also follow Luthan to Saw Gerrera, who is also a key player in Rogue One, but who's only contribution to this show is to show not only the discord between larger rebel movements, but also to give the ISB the win they want to keep Luthan and Saw from being as underfoot of the Empire as they could be. But still all based on Andor's direct actions in the Heist. All cause and effect.

 

[Jayson1]

Private Ryan doesn't even show up until the end of Saving Private Ryan. Not counting the grave bookend scenes.

 

[cooleddie74]

There's an entire Friday the 13th film with Jason Voorhees and it turned out Jason wasn't even in it.

 

[Reverend]

Are you guys wasting time feeding the resident sealions again? You'd think people would have learned the futility of that by now.

It was Nemik's thing. You know how many political manifestos and ideal constitutions get shoved to me in 'the scene'? There's no reason why Nemik should produce anything more than primer-level and easily chucked out. Maybe that's just my callous political side talking but I am surprised Andor kept it after leaving with his share. His experiences under the empire already tell him everything that manifesto does, if not more.

You're telling me all the political scientists of the Republic and Academics and Idealogues from then aren't pumping out their own works either? And what, Nemik's Manifesto is somehow going to become The Rights Of Man for the whole Alliance, as hoped around the net? Sorry but that is a stretchhhhh. Not everything needs to be connected. Somethings just need to be red herrings or just there to show that yes, this world is living.

I don't think the show was portraying Nemik's (WIP) Manifesto as some grand, mind bending revelation that nobody else could have conceived. In his own words they were mostly a collection of simple truths. I think the point of it on the show (as is often the case with this kind of thing in the real world) is that it put into words things Cassin already felt, whether he realised or not. It crystalized something that was already there, but couldn't be articulated.
It doesn't need to be some intricate work of political science. Indeed that would be to it's detriment. At the start of this show, Cassian is in a very cynical mindset as is most of the galaxy (and in the real world.) It's naïve simplicity is then it's greatest strength. It's not saying anything most people don't already know, and that's kind of the whole point; it's not speaking AT the people, it's speaking FOR the people.

There's a reason why the only speeches or snippets of socio-political theory the average person (i.e. anyone that doesn't have a degree in political science and/history) can quote are the ones that are both simple truths, and spoken in brevity.

Of course the real reason for the manifesto is to communicate to us the audience what all of this is about beyond just "evil fascists = bad", "scruffy rebels = good".

I have to wonder what the fate of Ferrix will be. The Empire will not be kind.

At a guess: likely the same thing that happened to Wobani.

 

[TedShatner10]

I have to wonder what the fate of Ferrix will be. The Empire will not be kind.

It'll be yet another unnecessary resource sink contributing to the Empire's insane strategic overstretch throughout the galaxy and is another quagmire of their own making (and really we got Syril to thank for that).

 

[Ithekro]

Either extra suppression, or Base Delta Zero.

 

[Campe]

Great points, except Iron Man was correct.

Eh, the nice thing about that movie is that one can make the argument that either hero is correct.

 

[TedShatner10]

Either extra suppression, or Base Delta Zero.

BDZ is when the planet is a total write off or they need to make a demonstration (see Alderaan), and Ferrix looks too industrially important to nuke - Mandalore was levelled from space because the Empire designated Mandalorians as a visible threat like the Jedi Order and so also got massacred within a night.

The avoidable street massacre and bombing on Ferrix is one more reason amongst millions why the Empire got dislodged relatively quickly after the first death of its leader (and we get the impression from the first ISB meeting that the Empire is already stuck in many big regional conflicts in the yet undeclared Galactic Civil War).

 

[Crewman6]

Eh, the nice thing about that movie is that one can make the argument that either hero is correct.

Yes you can.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Still curious when the intersection with Bail's network will come. We know he and Mon end up pooling resources and it's on of his cells that extracts her following the defection. The assumption has always been that they were partners ever since this meeting, but this show makes it seem like that's not the case.
We know that because of the situation with Leia he played things VERY carefully, so perhaps at this point he's been unwilling to expose himself to anyone outside of a very tight circle. Maybe he was going to approach Mon, but found she was already in bed with Luthen (metaphorically speaking) and that association make him think twice?


That's not from the show, but from this scene in RotS. (Canonically speaking it probably takes place a few weeks or even a month after the rest of the events in the montage, but that's neither here nor there.)

I suspect that was quite deliberate.
This season has been about (re)kindling Cassian's sense of rebellion. Next season will likely be about what that actually costs and maybe have him slide a little towards disillusionment. So he'll become more and more like Luthen as the story progresses.
He was pretty jaded in 'Rogue One' and it took seeing Jyn reflect in him some of the things he'd lost along the way that got him back on track.

He wasn't actually that jaded in "Rogue One." He was Mr. "Rebellions Are Built On Hope," after all. He was a true believer which was a deliberate contrast with Jyn's selfishness until she had her own character arc.

So having him go from jaded to believer only to reverse course in Season 2 would be a tactical storytelling mistake and I don't think this team will make that kind of error.

And all so that Bix could get out. Hope she was worth it.

On an unrelated note, did anyone else think we were going to get to actually see the Kreegyr takedown? That whole thing happening offscreen surprised me.

I think Andor wasn't so much Jaded as much as suffering from recent loss, whichi think will in deed be Bix, and perhaps a few others. Maybe his long lost sister might actually be alive? But an Imperial loyalist? Or killed just as they begin to reunite.

I look forward to the next season. am on the side of Mon Mothma's story being significant.

I didn't catch what she did until i read it here....but her husband makes it quite easy to "blame" all her discrepencies on his gambling, as he probably doesn't have pretty accurate records on what he lost.

her daughter's "sacrifice" is pretty willing, but that will be for Mon to let go of that relationship, as that is where her daughter has chosen to stand. We will see if she eventually sides with her mother (and maybe lose her life in the process), or if the relationship is what dies.

 

[Dee1891]

The show is about Andor and how his actions do bring about the Rebel Alliance. Therefore, we see what his actions do to Mon Mothma, who will lead said Alliance. Andor's actions do a cause and effect to Mon Mothma, which eventually will get them to the point where Mon Mothma is the one giving Andor the mission with Jyn Erso that leads to Andor going rogue to stop the Empire's Death Star, which leads to A New Hope. We also follow Luthan to Saw Gerrera, who is also a key player in Rogue One, but who's only contribution to this show is to show not only the discord between larger rebel movements, but also to give the ISB the win they want to keep Luthan and Saw from being as underfoot of the Empire as they could be. But still all based on Andor's direct actions in the Heist. All cause and effect.

Okay, but . . . why dump Mon Mothma's personal arc in the middle of a series that is about another character - namely Cassian Andor? And why do this in a season in wh

So, your issue is not with the overall story, but an unprecise labeling of the story. Got it.
By your logic Civil War should be labeled Captain America and Iron Man have a disagreement, where Iron Man is slightly in the wrong.
How do you cope with stories that don’t label the main character at all?

have you considered that Andor might not be the main character, but the catalyst for the events of the story?

Goddamit!!!! Why? Why do people like you keep trying to make assumptions of what others are trying to say? Or dismiss what others are trying to say with quick and easy labeling, and insults? How can Cassian Andor not be the main character, when the name of the series is called "ANDOR"? Why does it bother you that I have some complaints about this series? A series that I like. Am I expected to passively accept your opinion or the majority opinion?

And yes, if "Civil War" was about both Captain America and Iron Man, I believe the title of the movie should have reflected that or at least reflect that it was about the Avengers in general. Or . . . the movie should have used a different narrative that was basically about Captain America and not Iron Man or the Avengers in general.

 

[Crewman6]

I didn't catch what she did until i read it here....but her husband makes it quite easy to "blame" all her discrepencies on his gambling, as he probably doesn't have pretty accurate records on what he lost.

He didn't "lose" anything. He's not gambling. Mon knew that her driver was an ISB spy and she was creating an excuse to explain away her missing money as she knew he'd be listening.

 

[Ithekro]

Why? Because Mon Mothma will be important going forwards. Her story arc here isn't big enough to warrant her own family drama show, so instead its tied into consequences of Andor's actions. Without Andor's success during the Heist, Mon Mothma probably could have evaded monetary notice longer and not needed to implicate her husband in some shady gambling debt story, nor setup her daughter with a criminal's son to support to Rebellion. But because Andor did succeed, Mon needs to come up with her own little plan to keep the Empire from finding out that she is supplying the Rebellion with money. Money that will come around and support Andor's missions come Season Two. That Vel is related to Mon also ties into the story, since Mon's troubles were all from Luthan and Vel's Heist that Andor pulled off.

Considering the running theme of the show had been about what it takes in sacrifice for the cause of a rebellion and what drives people into it, we get to see many people's journey into being rebels, and the cost, personal or otherwise, for the sake of said Rebellion. From Andor on the lowest end to Mon Mothma at the highest end...every action here is connected in some way...even if it's just the tyranny of the Empire's boot.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

i like this take on a star wars serie.... maybe we will see a little bit of The Force in season 2?
I dont really miss it that much but it is a part of this universe, not necessarily a full blown ninja
but it is a little strange if we dont get to see at least 1 character that got a hint of the Force next time around.

 

[Ethros]

But this series is supposed to be about CASSIAN ANDOR. The title of this series is "ANDOR". I don't like the idea of another character nearly dominating a series or movie in which he or she IS NOT supposed to be the main character.

And let me repeat myself. This series is called "ANDOR". It's "ANDOR". It's not "ANDOR AND MOTHMA". This series, based on its title, is supposed to be about Cassian Andor .

I know. I watched Voyager, Deep Space Nine, Babylon 5, Blake’s 7 etc and they weren’t even about the ship or stations. They featured these annoying humanoid characters on board, all talking to each other and messing about. What a load of crap. Then I watched Doctor Who and he has to these companions with him and other people he talks to and had adventures with and it’s not just him sat alone in every scene. Rubbish!
I’m glad though from my av, that Buffy only featured Sarah Michelle Gellar and she was the only cast member, and I can’t remember but I think she was the only person ever in that show.


I know I’m obviously exaggerating what you’re saying, but sorry man, but I’m not gonna lie, you sound a bit OTT nutty and like you’ve never seen a piece of drama before. Clearly the plot lines will eventually intertwine. We know there’s still a s2. Trust they do these things for a reason… And breathe.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Who says the Andor show isn’t named after Maarva? To me, she’s the main character that everything else revolves around.

 

[Saul]

There's an entire Friday the 13th film with Jason Voorhees and it turned out Jason wasn't even in it.

I'm guessing you are talking about Part V. But it's not nearly as disappointing as Part I.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, Part V. "Jason But Not Jason."