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Spoilers Andor season one

OFFS.

Is the mum the titular character, and then Cassian spends the rest of the revolution trying to get out from under mother's shadow?
 
Come on. The manifesto was a huge, deeply organic part of the show and of Cassian's journey. You knew it was going to play an important part from the second it was introduced, this was just the payoff.

It was Nemik's thing. You know how many political manifestos and ideal constitutions get shoved to me in 'the scene'? There's no reason why Nemik should produce anything more than primer-level and easily chucked out. Maybe that's just my callous political side talking but I am surprised Andor kept it after leaving with his share. His experiences under the empire already tell him everything that manifesto does, if not more.

You're telling me all the political scientists of the Republic and Academics and Idealogues from then aren't pumping out their own works either? And what, Nemik's Manifesto is somehow going to become The Rights Of Man for the whole Alliance, as hoped around the net? Sorry but that is a stretchhhhh. Not everything needs to be connected. Somethings just need to be red herrings or just there to show that yes, this world is living.
 
This is the best part of Star Wars.


I don't think so. However, I believe it's pretty good. I still don't see the point of having Mon Mothma as a major character - almost the co-lead - in this production. Her arc had no real connection in this season. In fact, Gilroy could have placed most of her arc in Season 2. That is . . . if Cassian will play a major role in her escape from the Empire. But "Star Wars Rebels" had made it clear that Bail Organa, the Rebel Alliance's Y-squadron and the Lothar rebel cell helped her escape. Which leads me to wonder how Gilroy plans to shove Cassian into this situation. Or . . . will Cassian and Mothma connect in another way?:shrug: I could have accepted Mothma as a major character in this series if she had some kind of connection to Cassian's character arc in this season. But she didn't. And using the excuse that this series is supposed to be about the early period of the Rebel Alliance doesn't work for me, since the title is "Andor". I still have a problem with the series' pacing and believe it could have been whittled down to at least eight or nine episodes. Aside from revealing his origin, how did the flashbacks showing Cassian's childhood relate to the season or the series' main narrative?

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the performances in this series, along with the corrupt and violent portrayal of the Empire (which was nothing new), the series’ ambiguous portrayal of the Rebel Alliance and certain sequences. I was especially impressed by those scenes that featured Cassian Andor’s escape from Ferrix, the Rebels’ heist at the Imperial garrison at Aldhani, Cassian’s rescue of Bix and the riot on Ferrix in the finale, his stint at the Narkina 5 prison and especially his escape.
 
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Its finally over, thank the fucking Force.

What a giant pile of shit. Literally irredeemable, a show made by people who loathe Star Wars for people who loathe Star Wars. It didn't even bother to tie up any plot points, hell it didn't even really explain most of them. I still don't fucking know why the evil "Rebels" want to kill Andor, it seriously just can't be because he saw a few faces and heard what are probably code names. Mon Mothma's plot was like a narcoleptic hamster on a wheel, going nowhere slowly. Andy Serkis was literally meaningless to the show, they just stuck Andor in prison with him presumably because they wanted to put any semblance of plot involving Andor into a complete stop for half of the (horrendously padded, overly long) season. The Imperial Agent and the Bureaucrat were just fucking terrible, but at least the Imperial Agent kind of had a point.

To make matters worse, none of the terrible characters died (the blonde evil Rebel could easily have been killed), and at the end Skarsgard (I don't remember the characters name, Luthien or something similar), who originally hadn't even wanted to kill Andor (it was his shitty assistant who put the hit out, from what I could tell she did it on her own initiative), not only went full "Kill Andor", he then didn't fucking do it, presumably because he'd just read the script for Rogue One and knew Andor was needed for it to work. Then we end the season showing the Death Star, presumably to remind people that this is still pretending to be a show set in the Star Wars universe, and isn't just someone's unproduced modern day Earth set "political thriller" with some Star Wars elements shoved in to get Disney to pay for it

What a dreadful, dreary, anti-Star Wars pile of shit. Of course the snobs who love "Prestige Dramas" are loving this show, its the biggest hate letter to Star Wars as a franchise that has ever been officially made. I definitely won't be watching season 2, and I hope the viewership is so low (which apparently it is, snobs ranting and raving is apparently not helping the show with actual Star Wars fans) that after the (probably contractually mandated at this point) Season 2 we never see a pile of crap like this connected to Star Wars ever again.
Yawn
 
It was an organic reference, not because anyone is or is not a fan of the ST, but because it was the only established "casino planet" in canon. That's how it works.

The quadjumper wasn't the only established ship in canon, but they felt the need to throw that in. They're deliberately seeding ST references.
 
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Yeah, Maarva going underground to stage her own death and draw out a confrontation would have been great. I mean, A-tier great. But at least her posthumous holographic message was a great substitute.
 
I don't think so. However, I believe it's pretty good. I still don't see the point of having Mon Mothma as a major character - almost the co-lead - in this production. Her arc had no real connection in this season. In fact, Gilroy could have placed most of her arc in Season 2. That is . . . if Cassian will play a major role in her escape from the Empire. But "Star Wars Rebels" had made it clear that Bail Organa, the Rebel Alliance's Y-squadron and the Lothar rebel cell helped her escape. Which leads me to wonder how Gilroy plans to shove Cassian into this situation. Or . . . will Cassian and Mothma connect in another way?:shrug: I could have accepted Mothma as a major character in this series if she had some kind of connection to Cassian's character arc in this season. But she didn't. And using the excuse that this series is supposed to be about the early period of the Rebel Alliance doesn't work for me, since the title is "Andor". I still have a problem with the series' pacing and believe it could have been whittled down to at least eight or nine episodes. Aside from revealing his origin, how did the flashbacks showing Cassian's childhood relate to the season or the series' main narrative?

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the performances in this series, along with the corrupt and violent portrayal of the Empire (which was nothing new), the series’ ambiguous portrayal of the Rebel Alliance and certain sequences. I was especially impressed by those scenes that featured Cassian Andor’s escape from Ferrix, the Rebels’ heist at the Imperial garrison at Aldhani, Cassian’s rescue of Bix and the riot on Ferrix in the finale, his stint at the Narkina 5 prison and especially his escape.

I think Mothma and Andor's arc's are on a collision course were they will finally connect in season 2.
 
I think Mothma and Andor's arc's are on a collision course were they will finally connect in season 2.

I think it's very possible. But . . . I still believe it was unnecessary for Gilroy to go into so much detail in Mothma's personal life in this first season, when she doesn't have a real connection to Andor's character. He could have saved all of this for Season Two, if the two characters are on a collision course.
 
. I definitely won't be watching season 2 [...]

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[...]and I hope the viewership is so low (which apparently it is, snobs ranting and raving is apparently not helping the show with actual Star Wars fans) that after the (probably contractually mandated at this point) Season 2 we never see a pile of crap like this connected to Star Wars ever again.
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Hugo - nothing need be made to satisfy the majority, nor those who believe they know best
 
I definitely won't be watching season 2

Promise?

I think it's very possible. But . . . I still believe it was unnecessary for Gilroy to go into so much detail in Mothma's personal life in this first season, when she doesn't have a real connection to Andor's character. He could have saved all of this for Season Two, if the two characters are on a collision course.

This doesn’t seem like the type of show that wastes anything. Her personal life will be important to her arc later on.
 
Maybe that's just my callous political side talking but I am surprised Andor kept it after leaving with his share. His experiences under the empire already tell him everything that manifesto does, if not more.
Wow. How incredibly cynical. I mean, I think that Andor is a pretty callous bastard but the idea that he should discard this because he has first hand experience is downright chilling.
The quadjumper wasn't the only established ship in canon, but they felt the need to throw that in. They're deliberately seeding ST references.
Bastards. Don't they know the ST is not allowed?
 
I definitely won't be watching season 2, and I hope the viewership is so low (which apparently it is, snobs ranting and raving is apparently not helping the show with actual Star Wars fans) that after the (probably contractually mandated at this point) Season 2 we never see a pile of crap like this connected to Star Wars ever again.

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This doesn’t seem like the type of show that wastes anything. Her personal life will be important to her arc later on.

I suspect you're right that her personal life will be important to Cassian's arc in Season 2. But I still believe Gilroy could have saved all of her family drama for the second season, if this is true. This is supposed to be a series in which Cassian Andor is the main character. It's called "Andor". The series treated Mon Mothma as if she was the co-lead, especially during a season in which she had no connection with the main character. All Gilroy did was bring back my bad memories of "Captain America: Civil War" in which Iron Man was the co-lead in a Captain America film.
 
I think it's very possible. But . . . I still believe it was unnecessary for Gilroy to go into so much detail in Mothma's personal life in this first season, when she doesn't have a real connection to Andor's character. He could have saved all of this for Season Two, if the two characters are on a collision course.
I disagree.

Gilroy is showing the formation of the rebellion from both extremes of its participants - those oppressed by and those enriched by the Empire. It's all well bankrolling matters, sitting back in her robes at her plush embassy, but money alone cannot inspire internal rebellion. There has to be a cost. The fact that Gilroy decided to focus on her family, rather than the senate politics, cements her to the cause.

By the time that Andor is "all in" stood on Luthen's ship, so is Mon, selling her daughter and her husband. They need not have a direct connection to one another to tell their stories which are still just sides of the same coin.

One could say that Mon is sacrificing more than anyone else on the board. She's put up not only herself and her family, but her House, the stability of her planet's place in the Galactic Senate (and the Emperors wrath upon her betrayals coming to light), all as collateral to tear down the empire. Her story, her fractured relationships with her family, is as important as watching Andor see the struggles of the "common rebel", those within the criminal industrial complex, those just trying to live under the yoke of the Empire. It shows what the elites, in their day to day lives, are happy to accept, and ignore, for their comforts.

The elites may not objectively know that prisoners are never being released, but they know the laws in place putting them there favour the elite and over-criminalise everyone else. And still they carry on.

Mon, per Rogue One and RotJ, is a clear outlier of senators who broke away from the Empire. Gilroy could have used Bail as his reference point, but he was basically already "all in" at the end of ROTS. Given her link (and Andor's) to R1, she is the prime "in" for the storytellers to discuss the complacency of Empire life, and the price of trying to undermine it.

What I hope to see in S2 is her laying foundations to attempt to insulate her family/planet from further repercussions, as she pushes further into the rebellion. Currently, she's still a senator, but she (per SW: Rebels) renounces her seat and becomes a full figurehead of the Rebellion. Whilst, on the surface, she appears to be acceding to her daughters Traditional Values, she does so for personal (and rebellion) favour. She has also undercut the status of her husband to tidy her own mess. I hope to see her attempt to ringfence her family unit, fail, and have to pay the full price - the loss of them all. Not via death, but by ostracism. Both Leida and Perrin are well entrenched in the comfort of the lifestyle Mon brings them. Whilst she will be willing to live in a cave on a back water jungle planet, neither of them seem the type.

By focussing on Mon's stilted relationship with her family now, when she has to permanently turn her back on them, the weight of that cost will be fuller felt.

Hugo - or something
 
The quadjumper wasn't the only established ship in canon, but they felt the need to throw that in. They're deliberately seeding ST references.
It was a design they already had in the library, cheaper than designing a new one.

Same with nearly all of the ships in the Ferrix ship depot.

Heck all the ships there minus the one Cassian uses were in The Rise of Skywalker.
 
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Another shout out to the ST in this episode. Either someone on the Andor writing staff is a ST fan, or they've been directed to put in these references.
The quadjumper wasn't the only established ship in canon, but they felt the need to throw that in. They're deliberately seeding ST references.

Define "felt the need."

That was also previously established as a kinda junky, down market ship.

They're not seeding jack shit, they're just using established piece of the lore. Just as they "felt the need" to use a Cantwell design later in the season.

The show is just using established pieces of lore from all over the franchise.

You need to relax.
 
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