Oh, good. Does that mean you'll shut up?
Spoilers Andor season one
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Oh, good. Does that mean you'll shut up?
I am picking up on some subtle cues that you had some issues with the show.
How?
No, seriously, how? Star Wars is about conflict, at it's core, it is about rebellion and took cues from the VietCong. Please, tell me what Andor did that is anti-Star Wars? Introduced moral ambiguity? Happened in Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi and pretty much the entirety of the PT and Clone Wars was built on that ambiguity. "Heroes on both sides?" Anyone remember that line from the ROTS crawl? No, just me?
Ok, fine. It wasn't my favorite show but "anti-Star Wars?" Bullshit.
It will be at least two years, probably will forget. By then Mandalorean season 3 and Ahsoka will be out along with Bad Batch season 2. That will be a lot of Filoni, so might want for something else, and forget about the dislike of Andor.
This show has a lot of "show not tell" as well as a lot of "reading between the lines" due to the insurgents and spy drama setting. To Luthan, when Andor walks away from the rebellion after the heist, Andor becomes a liability, since he can point out the guy leading at least a part of the rebellion, and from Luthan's angle, that sort of liability is problematic. It is like being the head of a spy network in an enemy country. You keep a low profile, and if one of your agents that knows you leaves to go native in that enemy country, they basically have to be assassinated for the "greater good" of preserving the spy network.
This sort of came up in Rebels in the description of the cell network. Fulcrum contacts Hera, Hera given information to her crew. If her crew needs to make a connection with a potential spy below them, they send one person, so that the new contact only can rat out a single member if caught. If that member gets caught, they can only turn in their own cell. Hera doesn't know who Fulcrum is so if the Ghost's crew is caught, the ISB can't get more of the rebellion after that. Hera might know of Bail Organa, but Bail's got a lot of protections around him as well as plausible deniability.
Andor rejoining the rebellion, negates the need to kill him. He's now in the group, not outside the group. He is no longer a liability.
Which is funny because Andor will take on a similar role in Rogue One with his informant and Erso.
This is the best part of Star Wars.
Something that hit me, maybe with how few we've seen in the series and with the ragtag nature of the people and how "lived-in" it feels, is how striking a stormtrooper could actually be. When the first one appeared it was actually a little startling.
Still curious when the intersection with Bail's network will come. We know he and Mon end up pooling resources and it's on of his cells that extracts her following the defection. The assumption has always been that they were partners ever since this meeting, but this show makes it seem like that's not the case.
We know that because of the situation with Leia he played things VERY carefully, so perhaps at this point he's been unwilling to expose himself to anyone outside of a very tight circle. Maybe he was going to approach Mon, but found she was already in bed with Luthen (metaphorically speaking) and that association make him think twice?
This season has been about (re)kindling Cassian's sense of rebellion. Next season will likely be about what that actually costs and maybe have him slide a little towards disillusionment. So he'll become more and more like Luthen as the story progresses.
He was pretty jaded in 'Rogue One' and it took seeing Jyn reflect in him some of the things he'd lost along the way that got him back on track.
We know that because of the situation with Leia he played things VERY carefully, so perhaps at this point he's been unwilling to expose himself to anyone outside of a very tight circle. Maybe he was going to approach Mon, but found she was already in bed with Luthen (metaphorically speaking) and that association make him think twice?
That's not from the show, but from this scene in RotS. (Canonically speaking it probably takes place a few weeks or even a month after the rest of the events in the montage, but that's neither here nor there.)
I suspect that was quite deliberate.
This season has been about (re)kindling Cassian's sense of rebellion. Next season will likely be about what that actually costs and maybe have him slide a little towards disillusionment. So he'll become more and more like Luthen as the story progresses.
He was pretty jaded in 'Rogue One' and it took seeing Jyn reflect in him some of the things he'd lost along the way that got him back on track.
This post is the best endorsement/recommendation most of us here could ever need to decide watching the show.
I suspect you're right.
Love a good prestige drama? Check. Loved Andor? Hell yes. Andor makes a mockery of that other Star franchise's floundering efforts at prestige.
I like Star Wars, so not sure how my opinion fits into your premise.
Anyway, fantastic episode. The funeral speech gave me chills.
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I don't think so. It appears this show is doing what I'd always hoped to see in a prequel, which is "imagine it was made first." Cassian Andor and the Death Star are on a collision course at the end of the show. Same with the inclusion of Mon Mothma and Saw Guerra, I believe they're reverse-plotting a show treating "Rogue One" as the series finale, which means they should be foreshadowing Cassian's ultimate enemy as early as possible. Like, I love nuBSG, but it certainly had a habit of introducing important Cylon infrastructure just barely ahead of when they became critical to the plot. Most of the time it was a fairly obvious thing you could have assumed existed based on what you already knew, but, still. I guess the worst-case example would be the movie "Elysium," where it felt like nothing in that movie existed until it was needed for a scene. "These people are living in utter poverty, while technology is the sole plaything of the rich. Except now that we're forty-five minutes into the movie, one of the characters has a robot battle-suit, a thing we have made no suggestion is a thing that exists." Or the existence of robots in "Alien," a total ass-pull which, it seems, only bothers me.
The Rebellion isn't going to stop needing money, or start paying her back. Throwing up chaff about her husband having a gambling problem doesn't end her money-trouble, it just gives a better explanation for why she's talking to mobster loan-sharks than "I guess I got too carried away with donating to perfectly innocuous charities."
He wasn't actually that jaded in "Rogue One." He was Mr. "Rebellions Are Built On Hope," after all. He was a true believer which was a deliberate contrast with Jyn's selfishness until she had her own character arc.
So having him go from jaded to believer only to reverse course in Season 2 would be a tactical storytelling mistake and I don't think this team will make that kind of error.
A movie doesn't need to establish the existence of every possible thing in its universe in the opening act. There's nothing wrong with saying androids exist in the Alien universe and we, the audience, were just as surprised as the characters.
It's only more recently where movies have felt the need to literally explain or foreshadow every possible thing in the beginning to "justify" its inclusion later in the story. Which is dumb, or at the very least, unnecessary.
You somehow quoted me, with text that isn't mine.
Even though it won't matter to anyone here, the first two episodes of Andor are airing on network TV tonight, Wednesday November 23. 9 PM Eastern on ABC if you're in the US, same time on Global in Canada.
Okay, I started replying to one of your quotes, but decided not to post it.
Then, literally an hour or so later, came back to the thread and replied to a different comment, but the friggin' site "saves" your incomplete drafts and so I now magically replied to your comment instead of the OP. Sigh.
Not what I expected, but I mean that in a good way. I guess I am too conditioned by other series doing the big set up for the big show down. What we got here was more subtle and perfectly executed. It's gonna be a long wait until 2024 for season 2 but I know it's going to be worth the wait.
Gilroy talks about the season very frankly https://www.thewrap.com/andor-episode-12-finale-ending-explained/
Gilroy talks about the season very frankly https://www.thewrap.com/andor-episode-12-finale-ending-explained/
