Spoilers Andor - Season 2

[James Cole]

I'm the casual-ist of casual Star Wars fans. I've seen all the films but only own the OT and Rogue One on physical media.

I started watching season 2 last week and saw the final three just after they dropped. Excellent series. Probably the best produced post-COVID series in general I've watched even. Great characters all around -- even the villains were nuanced and three dimensional. Special shout out to how well done the internal Imperial world building turned out.

It'd be amazing to get a Star Trek series in the vein of "early HBO-style prestige drama" that like ANDOR is fully of a piece with what came before continuity wise.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, because you're totally unfamiliar with hyperbole.

When it's repeated often it loses the hyberbolic tone.

 

[Saul]

The way the season was broken up into years made season 2 feel so short and sweet.

As for those of you who will watch or have watched 'Rogue One' after 'Andor' do you plan to go one step further and continue on with A New Hope? It's pretty much the conclusion to the story.

 

[Dee1891]

You are entitled to your opinion of course. It's not flawless but for many the best Star Wars in a very long time.

I'm aware of the general feeling about this series. I don't know why you've repeated it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

As for those of you who will watch or have watched 'Rogue One' after 'Andor' do you plan to go one step further and continue on with A New Hope? It's pretty much the conclusion to the story.

I hadn't thought about it but you're right. I should and probably will.

 

[FPAlpha]

I'm aware of the general feeling about this series. I don't know why you've repeated it.

Because you keep riding your point repeatedly too.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm aware of the general feeling about this series. I don't know why you've repeated it.

Probably because it's the general consensus so those who don't go all in will seem odd.

 

[Yistaan]

It'd be amazing to get a Star Trek series in the vein of "early HBO-style prestige drama" that like ANDOR is fully of a piece with what came before continuity wise.

Star Trek and spy stories go back a way with "Assignment Earth" up till the widely criticized Section 31 (although I found the latter enjoyable). Basically it tends to end up unintentionally goofy and DS9 was probably the only Trek work that handled Section 31 realistically (even Admiral Marcus came off as a nutjob).

Probably the only Andor episodes that had anything in common with Section 31 was the Season 2 premiere when Cassian ran into a bunch of rebel morons in the jungle who surprisingly were even worse than the Section 31 team.

Others have pointed out Syril/Dedra and Padme/Anakin parallels. In both cases one partner becomes horrified and pleads with the other to stop but the Imperial partner refuses. The non-Imperial partner dies still believing in the other (Padme still believes there's good in Anakin, Syril dies after trying to take out Cassian from sniping Dedra although his own vendetta is also a motivation), while the Imperial partner ends up in a horrific fate (Anakin is chopped up and burned and put in his armor, Dedra is imprisoned).

 

[cooleddie74]

And I have come across a lot of comments online, claiming "Andor" is a flawless masterpiece or the best Star Wars production. Too much, in my opinion.

Welcome to a message board with a sci-fi/fantasy theme.

 

[Tuskin38]

Maz has done his continuity breakdown.

Andor Season Two Continuity Breakdown

The second season of Andor has come to a close, bringing the end of what has been for my money easily one of the best Star Wars stories we’ve ever had. Despite by all accounts not being a fan…

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I think the only nitpick I would have would be the showed stormtrooper armor far earlier than it probably should have appeared.

I assume you mean timeline wise, then no. We've seen stormtrooper armour already before now.

 

[Campe]

While this was an amazing series, I was hoping that this would help lessen some of MY issues with Rogue One. It most certainly did not. And that's okay and its no fault to this series. Andor can be a great prequel to what I consider a highly flawed overrated film.

 

[Newt]

Pretty satisfied with ending, all the chess pieces in position for Rouge One.

I had issues with Andor during the first season and the beginning of the second. But had a change of heart when the bigger picture started to appear. I was also taken back with its tone, this wasn't the fun Star Wars with all the trimmings. May have been too harsh on it on first impression.
Can admit I really miss judged it, and I'm glad I stuck with it.

Only problem now is now we have a taste of real adult Star Wars can we go back to family fun Star Wars?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pretty satisfied with ending, all the chess pieces in position for Rouge One.

I had issues with Andor during the first season and the beginning of the second. But had a change of heart when the bigger picture started to appear. I was also taken back with its tone, this wasn't the fun Star Wars with all the trimmings. May have been too harsh on it on first impression.
Can admit I really miss judged it, and I'm glad I stuck with it.

Only problem now is now we have a taste of real adult Star Wars can we go back to family fun Star Wars?

I think so. No reason the Andor approach and the Skeleton Crew approach can't exist side by side. I look forward to seeing both types.

 

[Yistaan]

So last I checked Bix was still an undocumented person and Mina-Rau was still open to Imperial snap inspections because the Empire doesn't fall until a good 4 years later (that's not even getting into any Imperial survivors who may now have her physical description to put her on a wanted list after the battle she took part in). As cliche as her moving to Alderaan would've been, it would've made sense that someone in the position of Bail Organa could've forged identity documents for her (and in fact this may have been along the lines of Cassian's plan when he mentioned to Bix about running off together) whereas we now have a scene for shock emotional value that falls apart the more you think about it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So last I checked Bix was still an undocumented person and Mina-Rau was still open to Imperial snap inspections because the Empire doesn't fall until a good 4 years later (that's not even getting into any Imperial survivors who may now have her physical description to put her on a wanted list after the battle she took part in). As cliche as her moving to Alderaan would've been, it would've made sense that someone in the position of Bail Organa could've forged identity documents for her (and in fact this may have been along the lines of Cassian's plan when he mentioned to Bix about running off together) whereas we now have a scene for shock emotional value that falls apart the more you think about it.

Perhaps they assumed that the Empire would not soon be back?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Pretty satisfied with ending, all the chess pieces in position for Rouge One.

I had issues with Andor during the first season and the beginning of the second. But had a change of heart when the bigger picture started to appear. I was also taken back with its tone, this wasn't the fun Star Wars with all the trimmings. May have been too harsh on it on first impression.
Can admit I really miss judged it, and I'm glad I stuck with it.

Only problem now is now we have a taste of real adult Star Wars can we go back to family fun Star Wars?

I can't wait for Ahsoka season 2.

 

[Yistaan]

Perhaps they assumed that the Empire would not soon be back?

Bix have no way of knowing that or reason to believe that and PLENTY of reason to think that there would be some sort of permanent retribution and enhanced scrutiny of the planet considering the events of the season premiere.

 

[Crazyewok]

Bix have no way of knowing that or reason to believe that and PLENTY of reason to think that there would be some sort of permanent retribution and enhanced scrutiny of the planet considering the events of the season premiere.

Dont think the empire cares much over 1 low level officer.
The sector governor probably down played it and white washed it to not draw attention to his officers corruption.
A lot of the empire seems to be about covering ones own arse. The sector governor likely pinned the entire debacle on rapey mcrapeface so as not to draw scrutiny into his or her failure in leadership in letting corruption get to the point in the lower ranks that situations like that flare up.

And dont get me wrong, its probably not the attempted rape that Governor concerned about but the fact the officer was clumsy and stupid enough to cause such a inflamed situation.

Corruption and brutality is fine but you are expected to keep it subtle and not intefere with public order.


As for Bix, with her connections to senators on Yavin she may have got immigration papers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So last I checked Bix was still an undocumented person and Mina-Rau was still open to Imperial snap inspections because the Empire doesn't fall until a good 4 years later (that's not even getting into any Imperial survivors who may now have her physical description to put her on a wanted list after the battle she took part in). As cliche as her moving to Alderaan would've been, it would've made sense that someone in the position of Bail Organa could've forged identity documents for her (and in fact this may have been along the lines of Cassian's plan when he mentioned to Bix about running off together) whereas we now have a scene for shock emotional value that falls apart the more you think about it.

Didn't Bix pretty much kill the only people who got a good look at her? If Bail can get her to Alderaan he can get her back to Mina-Rau.

 

[Reverend]

ETA: a bit late I know, but it just now occurred to me that Saw's crazed rhydonium fume huffing may help account for Gregor's rather drastic personality shift from pretty standard serious soldier type of clone, to devaronian-may-care kooky old man. For those that don't recall, the last we see of him, he was caught up in a massive rhydo'splosion. I mean sure; he also had the whole thing going for him too, but the fact that rhydo may have some long term brain chemistry effects too also seems to be as much of a factor as anything.

Not really.

We literally see her pitch the whole concept of setting up the insurgents to provide the pretext to murder the whole planet to Krennic. It was her idea. She spent a year running Cyrill to make it happen. The only thing that gave her pause was when those upstairs started to take control away from her, until she was reduced to just the person that gives the go order. The moral ramifications weren't even a factor to her. She wasn't reticent, she was annoyed. That plus being that close to another riot was freaking her out; the last one almost got her mobbed to death.

Sorry, I forgot to mention Agent Kallus as an example of an Imperial with blood on his hands, and former ISB at that, who turned to work for the Rebellion and was accepted as a Rebel.

The key part there is the whole "work for the Rebellion" thing. Kallus actively worked from within the ISB, providing intel, assisting in defections, risking his own life, even opting to stay behind when an extraction was right there for the taking.

There's a gargantuan gulf between that, and having a slight hesitation before ordering a planetary slaughter. Kallus recognised that what he was apart of was wrong, and actively worked to rectify it. Supervisor Meero did exactly jack and squat but pursue her own selfish ambitions.