And then Chris Pine pulled out a Tracer Gun (TM)

[indranee]

Yeah, I didn't see that at all. I saw it as Khan being ironic. As in, "see, you'd not be dead right now IF you'd let me sleep."

But I just got the novelization on my nook so I'll check to see if there's more in there.

 

[Belz...]

Isn't it great that we can watch the same movie and understand it in completely different ways ?

 

[Pavonis]

The way I understood it, Khan in his monologue said he was hoping to wake up in an era where things would be different. The "you should have" line, to me, meant he would have prefered waking up elsewhen, elsewhere. I think he got his wish.

But he may never wake up again. So you're thinking Khan and his crew would be better off sleeping indefinitely? Not a particularly ambitious goal for a genetic superman.

 

[Belz...]

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I am simply stating one possible interpretation of Khan's line and motives.

 

[Pavonis]

One possible interpretation, but not the most likely.

 

[indranee]

Isn't it great that we can watch the same movie and understand it in completely different ways ?

No, you're just not "getting it".

 

[indranee]

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I am simply stating one possible interpretation of Khan's line and motives.

Think of it this way. Would someone like Khan want to sleep forever and leave the "control button" in someone else's hands?

I also doubt it when he told Spock/Kirk that he and his followers were made as a peacekeeping force. That man lies, pure and simple. Why would you take him at his word?

The Khan we saw in STID was fairly similar to the Space Seed Khan. He is a liar, a control freak, and a delusional egotist. He wanted his 72 friends and he had a ship. Why would he want to go back into his ice coffin?

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial? Why was he re-frozen? That doesn't seem very kosher to me. After all the talk Kirk gives Marcus about a trial, he puts Khan back in his box?

 

[OpenMaw]

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial? Why was he re-frozen? That doesn't seem very kosher to me. After all the talk Kirk gives Marcus about a trial, he puts Khan back in his box?

Well. Y'know... Uh, Stop thinking so logically?


That would have been a great scene, honestly. Harrison in super-duper hand cuffs being tried and sent to jail. Kirk and Khan exchange one last passing glance. Then maybe have Kirk visit Pike's grave or something. Ah, well...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The line was pretty obviously Khan's "You know you fucked up now" to Marcus.

 

[BillJ]

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial? Why was he re-frozen? That doesn't seem very kosher to me. After all the talk Kirk gives Marcus about a trial, he puts Khan back in his box?

That likely wasn't Kirk's decision to make. It was likely made by someone at a much higher pay-grade.

 

[indranee]

Hmm. Maybe. Either way, if and when they do bring him back at some point (which I doubt), they need to go with this angle

 

[Franklin]

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial? Why was he re-frozen? That doesn't seem very kosher to me. After all the talk Kirk gives Marcus about a trial, he puts Khan back in his box?

I've posted this before, but my guess is he probably was put on trial, stayed subdued throughout it, and probably even pled guilty. In the Trek universe, he's not going to be put to death (unless he goes to Talos IV). So, you send him to a maximum security penal planet, or you show a degree of mercy and offer to re-freeze him and essentially return him to his family. I actually found that ending somewhat touching and appropriate given the theme of the movie.

And, in another TWOK ripoff (), showing the glimpse of Khan asleep at the end of the movie raises the same questions about him coming back as showing Spock's torpedo tube intact on the Genesis planet did.

 

[indranee]

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial? Why was he re-frozen? That doesn't seem very kosher to me. After all the talk Kirk gives Marcus about a trial, he puts Khan back in his box?

I've posted this before, but my guess is he probably was put on trial, stayed subdued throughout it, and probably even pled guilty. In the Trek universe, he's not going to be put to death (unless he goes to Talos IV). So, you send him to a maximum security penal planet, or you show a degree of mercy and offer to re-freeze him and essentially return him to his family. I actually found that ending somewhat touching and appropriate given the theme of the movie.

And, in another TWOK ripoff (), showing the glimpse of Khan asleep at the end of the movie raises the same questions about him coming back as showing Spock's torpedo tube intact on the Genesis planet did.

Ooh! I never thought of THAT

Yeah, I just realized a year has gone between the Vengeance crash and the end of the movie. There could have been a trial, true. I need to read the book...

 

[Belz...]

One possible interpretation, but not the most likely.

Your mileage may vary. How probable you think something is, is of no consequence to me.

Think of it this way. Would someone like Khan want to sleep forever and leave the "control button" in someone else's hands?

He already did by embarking on the Botany Bay, with no clear destination. For all he knew he could have crashed somewhere and that'd be it.

I also doubt it when he told Spock/Kirk that he and his followers were made as a peacekeeping force. That man lies, pure and simple. Why would you take him at his word?

No. How is that relevant ?

The Khan we saw in STID was fairly similar to the Space Seed Khan. He is a liar, a control freak, and a delusional egotist. He wanted his 72 friends and he had a ship. Why would he want to go back into his ice coffin?

Well he _lost_ the ship. I'm not sure they asked him for his opinion. For pete's sake, it's just an interpretation.

 

[Ssosmcin]

JJ's Star Trek is kitsch (in a fun way), but ironically, it's nowhere near as camp as TOS. After all, 'Spock's Brain' was an awful piece of television and it wasn't written by JJ Abrams or his brain trust: it was written by Geen L. Coon, of all people!

I never understood how people could compare an episode written under a huge time and budget crunch 45 years ago to a movie that had 4 years to work out its story and with money thrown at it like tomatoes at a Vaudeville stage?

"TOS was campy and weird, too!" Sure, with a round about budget of $160,000 per hour and with weeks make a story from conception to final draft, why wouldn't it be crappy sometimes? Especially from a guy who was no longer on staff and a producer who just didn't get it.

Yet, at the risk of answering my own question, for all of that time and even though I loved it, this film smacks of being written very quickly. Like it was sandwiched in between the dozens of other assignments the writers had, and after dragging their asses to "come up with the right villain." They took all of that time to come up with the guy practically everyone predicted while walking out of the theater in 2009?

Anywho, I really loved this one, mainly because I don't take Star Trek movies that seriously anymore. If I have fun and it isn't totally stupid, then I'm cool with it.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I never understood how people could compare an episode written under a huge time and budget crunch 45 years ago to a movie that had 4 years to work out its story...

In response to incessant insistence that the rushed old TV episodes are somehow superior.

 

[-Brett-]

The more salient question here is why was he not put on trial?

Given the themes of the movie, I think we're meant to assume that he was.

 

[Pavonis]

If he were put on trial, putting him back on ice is an odd sentence.

 

[indranee]

I guess we're meant to assume that HE WANTED IT.

where's the "no no" smiley?

 

[Pavonis]

Since when do convicted criminals get to choose their sentences?