And the Next Cancelled Show is...

[Owain Taggart]

Unfortunately true. It's hard to have a wide audience for news, politics, and deep dives on a streaming service.

Or pretty much any niche show. Frankly, I feel like any show on a streaming service, unless it's really popular, is going to have a narrow audience. As handy as streaming services are, I don't think they're the best delivery method for getting these shows out to the masses as compared to national broadcasts and channel surfing discoveries.

And all this is complicated by the fact that there are just so many shows all wanting our attention on different streaming services.

 

[Jayson1]

Also conservatives have basically overtaken the market for this kind of format. That's because culture war tends to beat esoteric deconstruction when appealing to a more mainstream audience.

Cancel Culture really helped Republican content creators build up a strong roster of controversial figures you can bring in and get clicks off. Stewart would have been better off going with a one on one debate setting where he brings in people he doesn't agree with. Try and channel some of that buzz he use to get in the old days when he would talk with O'Reily or the time he took to task Jim Cramer.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Or pretty much any niche show. Frankly, I feel like any show on a streaming service, unless it's really popular, is going to have a narrow audience. As handy as streaming services are, I don't think they're the best delivery method for getting these shows out to the masses as compared to national broadcasts and channel surfing discoveries.

And all this is complicated by the fact that there are just so many shows all wanting our attention on different streaming services.

Also conservatives have basically overtaken the market for this kind of format. That's because culture war tends to beat esoteric deconstruction when appealing to a more mainstream audience.

Cancel Culture really helped Republican content creators build up a strong roster of controversial figures you can bring in and get clicks off. Stewart would have been better off going with a one on one debate setting where he brings in people he doesn't agree with. Try and channel some of that buzz he use to get in the old days when he would talk with O'Reily or the time he took to task Jim Cramer.

Agreed. With John Oliver as the exception that proves the rule (again, largely because of YouTube).

 

[Aragorn]

The funny thing is, who invented cancel culture? They use words like disown, disfellowshipped and excommunication.

 

[Owain Taggart]

I don't think any one person invented it. Rather, it's a knee-jerk reactionary movement to anything that isn't liked and seen as a threat. The problem with that kind of thinking is that it prevents one to see the full picture and of taking things on their own merits.

 

[Jayson1]

It like political correctness likely started off as honest attempt to hold people accountable for unethical behavior or at least create a more civil environment for people to live in, but of course we are humans who are living in a damaged and problematic world and always seeking new ways to fix our problems thus the bar starts to lower on what people are okay cancelling people for when it comes to "unethical behavior."

Then because it makes people to feel good to judge others because it makes them feel morally superior and combine that with how virture singling can give you clout and attention and even profit then this reward system helps just propel it even more and thus the bar gets lowered again because you got people always seeking something to be morally superior to.

In the end it was a okay idea for the most part if we were rational robots but we are humans so it has been corrupted like so many other good to okay ideas by human nature taking that good to okay idea and bending it into something bad or at the least annoying depending on the specific example your using but hey every once in awhile someone actually gets punished like they should such as a Joss Whedon but that doesn't change that it's been overall a negative effect on society due to how it has changed peoples ideas on what justice really is and even things like forgiveness and compassion.

 

[bdub76]

The funny thing is, who invented cancel culture? They use words like disown, disfellowshipped and excommunication.

Probably the same people that invented safe spaces.
Good write up a couple of years back on coddling in the Atlantic.

 

[Aragorn]

Paramount+ says goodbye to Rabbit Hole and Fatal Attraction.

 

[bdub76]

Paramount+ says goodbye to Rabbit Hole and Fatal Attraction.

Rabbit Hole was pretty good.

Seems like stuff is being canceled across the board.

 

[1001001]

We liked Rabbit Hole!

 

[marillion]

Damn.. I like Rabbit Hole. Never got into Fatal Attraction though. Didn't like the movie either.

 

[bdub76]

Damn.. I like Rabbit Hole. Never got into Fatal Attraction though. Didn't like the movie either.

Watched the movie. It was pretty good. But it’s obviously dated. Never watched the series.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Funny thing is, I only just started seeing Rabbit Hole being advertised through Social Media.

 

[Starbreaker]

Paramount+ is going to be shedding subscribers fast and they're jumping ahead of it probably.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

If For All Mankind doesn’t do gangbuster viewer numbers out of the starting gate next month and hold the line thru January, I predict that S4 will be its last. For All Mankind is an extremely expensive show to produce and it never seems to get a lot of love from the home office. I don’t know that there have ever been viewership numbers published for the show, but the way AppleTV+ treats it, I can’t imagine it has ever garnered more than “decent” ratings at best… and these days, “decent” numbers don’t keep a $100 million/season series alive.

 

[cardinal biggles]

I think you're probably right. I love For All Mankind, but it's definitely very niche, and hasn't garnered nearly the level of awards love as Ted Lasso or even nominations (The Morning Show has had a bunch of Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for its first two seasons, with Billy Crudup winning the Best Supporting Actor Emmy for the first year). It's a "prestige show" that nobody notices.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think you're probably right. I love the For All Mankind, but it's definitely very niche, and hasn't garnered nearly the level of awards love as Ted Lasso or even nominations (The Morning Show has had a bunch of Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for its first two seasons, with Billy Crudup winning the Best Supporting Actor Emmy for the first year). It's a "prestige show" that nobody notices.

When the predatory lesbian billionaire showed up on Ted Lasso, I could not place her.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

If For All Mankind doesn’t do gangbuster viewer numbers out of the starting gate next month and hold the line thru January, I predict that S4 will be its last. For All Mankind is an extremely expensive show to produce and it never seems to get a lot of love from the home office. I don’t know that there have ever been viewership numbers published for the show, but the way AppleTV+ treats it, I can’t imagine it has ever garnered more than “decent” ratings at best… and these days, “decent” numbers don’t keep a $100 million/season series alive.

I think you're probably right. I love the For All Mankind, but it's definitely very niche, and hasn't garnered nearly the level of awards love as Ted Lasso or even nominations (The Morning Show has had a bunch of Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for its first two seasons, with Billy Crudup winning the Best Supporting Actor Emmy for the first year). It's a "prestige show" that nobody notices.

I hate how true this is. I'm sorely disappointed the show hasn't caught on fire for general audiences or even the awards circuit. The Moore-induced soap opera aside, For All Mankind is one of the best shows right now.

It feels like The Americans, Rectify, and The Leftovers all over again. At least The Americans got some capstone recognition at the end.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I hate how true this is. I'm sorely disappointed the show hasn't caught on fire for general audiences or even the awards circuit. The Moore-induced soap opera aside, For All Mankind is one of the best shows right now.

It feels like The Americans, Rectify, and The Leftovers all over again. At least The Americans got some capstone recognition at the end.

It’s also one of the side effects of Peak TV— there are so many scripted series and so little time. My partner and I are just now working our way through The Americans and can’t believe we missed this amazing show while it was airing. Yes, we knew it existed, but there just wasn’t enough time for both of us to coordinate schedules and commit to watching yet another TV series together. (The same thing happened with House and Suits.)

I really hope I’m wrong about FAM, but I don’t think I am.

 

[cardinal biggles]

It also doesn't help that there's no ancillary market for people to find it in. The West Wing, Battlestar Galactica, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly were all shows I either watched sporadically or didn't watch at all, but later discovered through DVD. I've never been an HBO subscriber, so without DVDs, I'd have never seen Deadwood, one of my all-time favorite shows. Most shows aren't getting released on DVD/Blu-ray anymore (especially the ones that are original to a platform), nor are they getting re-aired on broadcast or cable networks, so you're forced to subscribe in order to discover them, but there's too many fucking streaming services out there, even if you do the sign up and bounce around thing. And so shows like For All Mankind get lost in the shuffle.