And the Next Cancelled Show is...

[Snaploud]

I suspect that when Netflix licensed the shows, they became theirs, like Sony and Spiderman. As long as Netflix wanted to keep making them, they would keep the license. Why would Netflix sign a deal that any moment Disney could take back?

Unless Netflix chooses to do something with the characters, like a Heroes For Hire--which I doubt--Disney still wouldn't get them back.

But, like I said, I doubt Netflix is doing anything with them... but, then, if Netflix couldn't make them work, would Disney really want to spend money on an audience that wasn't enough for Netflix?

I don't have any special knowledge of the Marvel/Netflix contracts, but the normal television show arrangement is for the channel/platform (Netflix, in this case) to have right of first refusal. These cancellations should mean Marvel Television (the studio for these Marvel shows in association with ABC Studios) is now free to move the show to another platform.

In fact, it's possible that Marvel purposely sabotaged negotiations in order to get Netflix to cancel the shows and allow Disney to move those shows to another platform.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't have any special knowledge of the Marvel/Netflix contracts, but the normal television show arrangement is for the channel/platform (Netflix, in this case) to have right of first refusal. These cancellations should mean Marvel Television (the studio for these Marvel shows in association with ABC Studios) is now free to move the show to another platform.

Agreed. That’s why I find arguments that Disney was the entity that cancelled the shows to move to their platform not really credible. Netflix is the one that cancelled it.

In fact, it's possible that Marvel purposely sabotaged negotiations in order to get Netflix to cancel the shows and allow Disney to move those shows to another platform.

Possible, sure, but that would mean the license was up and time to renegotiate. But I find it hard to believe Netflix would only have the rights for 2 seasons for Cage and Iron Fist. Maybe, all things are possible, but seems odd to me.

And another issue, with that: if Disney is planning on putting on Cage and Iron Fist on their channels, then they need to make deals with the actors quickly or the actors will be free of their contracts and then Disney will have to negotiate again with them. I suppose those contracts could be secret, but how long would those actors wait around for a show that will be on a streaming service that hasn’t even got a launch date? (Does it have a launch date?)

I’m pretty confident this was totally an in house Netflix decision.

Edited to add: not just the actors, but the writers and producers. They would all go off and find other work.

 

[Snaploud]

Possible, sure, but that would mean the license was up and time to renegotiate.

I don't see why that would be the case. The right of first refusal ends when the network/platform announces a cancellation. I think you might be confusing the Spiderman movie licencing situation with normal television contracts. They're really very different arrangements.

And another issue, with that: if Disney is planning on putting on Cage and Iron Fist on their channels, then they need to make deals with the actors quickly or the actors will be free of their contracts and then Disney will have to negotiate again with them.

The contracts already exist. Marvel Television is the production company and has the contracts with the actors/producers. Netflix's contract is directly with Marvel Television. The Netflix cancellation is unlikely to automatically release the actors/producers from their contracts with Marvel Television.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't see why that would be the case. The right of first refusal ends when the network/platform announces a cancellation. I think you might be confusing the Spiderman movie licencing situation with normal television contracts. They're really very different arrangements.

I was responding to your suggestion that Marvel sabotaged negotiations to force a cancellation. There’s nothing to negotiate if there’s a signed contract, unless, of course the license agreement is about to end and a new one has to be negotiated. That would be the only time Marvel could sabotage it, to force a cancellation.

Which, I don’t think Marvel did.

The contracts already exist. Marvel Television is the production company and has the contracts with the actors/producers. Netflix's contract is directly with Marvel Television. The Netflix cancellation is unlikely to automatically release the actors/producers from their contracts with Marvel Television.

The contracts exist, yes, but there’s a production aspect to it. If a show isn’t in production, and unless a new home is found soon, actors and writers would be released from said contracts. Disney can’t hold the actors forever just because they signed on for seven seasons of a show, if it’s not in production.

Think about what happened with The Expanse, when it was cancelled by SyFy, a clock started to find a new home before the actors were released from their contracts. This is fairly standard.

It’s possible, of course, that the actors and the writers have been told they will go into production on X date, but word would get out quickly. Actors won’t want to be on hold with schedules clear, they will be out trying to get another job.

 

[Snaploud]

I was responding to your suggestion that Marvel sabotaged negotiations to force a cancellation. There’s nothing to negotiate if there’s a signed contract, unless, of course the license agreement is about to end and a new one has to be negotiated. That would be the only time Marvel could sabotage it, to force a cancellation.

Which, I don’t think Marvel did.

The negotiation was over creative differences. They couldn't agree on a path foreward, so Netflix cancelled the show. That's absolutely a process Disney could have sabotaged.

The contracts exist, yes, but there’s a production aspect to it. If a show isn’t in production, and unless a new home is found soon, actors and writers would be released from said contracts. Disney can’t hold the actors forever just because they signed on for seven seasons of a show, if it’s not in production.

Think about what happened with The Expanse, when it was cancelled by SyFy, a clock started to find a new home before the actors were released from their contracts. This is fairly standard.

It’s possible, of course, that the actors and the writers have been told they will go into production on X date, but word would get out quickly. Actors won’t want to be on hold with schedules clear, they will be out trying to get another job.

I agree that there are timing issues for any contract. We will likely hear soon if production has indeed halted on the side of Marvel Studios. Right now we just know that Netflix won't be airing new episodes.

 

[Professor Zoom]

The negotiation was over creative differences. They couldn't agree on a path foreward, so Netflix cancelled the show. That's absolutely a process Disney could have sabotaged.

I see the confusion. It wasn’t clear you meant creative differences. I still doubt that’s what happened. Netflix would still be the decider, as they are airing the show and paying for the rights to do so. I’ve never heard of a situation like that, but I guess it’s not impossible. Just unlikely, as it creates other problems, like contract issues with the creatives, as we’ve talked about.

I would be very surprised if Disney sabotaged it over creative decisions. I suspect it more likely not enough people were watching for Netflix to keep paying to make it.

 

[Snaploud]

I see the confusion. It wasn’t clear you meant creative differences. I still doubt that’s what happened. Netflix would still be the decider, as they are airing the show and paying for the rights to do so. I’ve never heard of a situation like that, but I guess it’s not impossible. Just unlikely, as it creates other problems, like contract issues with the creatives, as we’ve talked about.

I would be very surprised if Disney sabotaged it over creative decisions. I suspect it more likely not enough people were watching for Netflix to keep paying to make it.

The reports on Luke Cage seem pretty clear on the cancellation being the result of creative disputes between Marvel/Disney and Netflix. The Iron Fist cancellation may have been for different reasons.

 

[Snaploud]

Deadline broke the story about Luke Cage‘s demise, and added several additional details about how the end came about. As recently as last week, a third season order for Luke Cage was seen as a sure thing. The report indicates that the two sides grew far apart over the past 48 hours due to “creative differences” and “rising tensions” over the direction of the show. Neither Marvel nor Netflix were willing to bend, and it ultimately led to the show’s premature cancellation.


https://www.superherohype.com/tv/424751-netflix-cancels-marvels-luke-cage-after-two-seasons

 

[Professor Zoom]

Deadline broke the story about Luke Cage‘s demise, and added several additional details about how the end came about. As recently as last week, a third season order for Luke Cage was seen as a sure thing. The report indicates that the two sides grew far apart over the past 48 hours due to “creative differences” and “rising tensions” over the direction of the show. Neither Marvel nor Netflix were willing to bend, and it ultimately led to the show’s premature cancellation.


https://www.superherohype.com/tv/424751-netflix-cancels-marvels-luke-cage-after-two-seasons

I just skipped to the deadline article. Color me surprised. Guess I was wrong regarding the creative differences.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Multiple sources are reporting that 'Megyn Kelly Today' has been cancelled effective immediately following her comments on Tuesday and the staff and producers are being reassigned.
Although, again, multiple sources are saying the show was going to be pulled by December.
It's not like anyone was watching.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Good. The only thing that made her appealing to anyone was she "took on Trump" during the first debates. Problem was, you can take the anchor out of Fox News but you can't take the Fox News out of the anchor. She never struck me as being that terribly intelligent, or interesting. Was only a matter of time before the allure ended and she flamed out cinematically.

 

[Aragorn]

The Good Cop on Netflix has been cancelled.

Fun fact, The Good Cop was Tony Danza's fifth series as a regular where he played a character named... Tony.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Good Cop on Netflix has been cancelled.

Fun fact, The Good Cop was Tony Danza's fifth series as a regular where he played a character named... Tony.

They made that same observation on Family Guy Yesterday, but they only said that it was 4 roles.

Seth must have been unaware of The Good Cop.

I watched half a season, and it was a lot of 80s fun.

 

[Jayson1]

They made that same observation on Family Guy Yesterday, but they only said that it was 4 roles.

Seth must have been unaware of The Good Cop.

I watched half a season, and it was a lot of 80s fun.

How dare you go against one of our Nerd God's. If Seth says it's 4 then it means "The Good Cop" never really existed!

Jason

 

[Owain Taggart]

Saw one episode of that and while I thought it was pretty good, I had a feeling it wouldn't last long.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

"God friended me"

Seriously a show built on coincidences, that are linked to other coincidences.

I watched the first two episodes and am thinking this gets 1 season.

I really dislike the show Mannifest. I don't know why, I just can't get hooked in it.

Spoiler

Also the show Mannifest. I just the lead actress is boring. The show is now annoying me with the huge trope of evil government running experiments on passengers from the plane that landed in the present from 5 years in the past.

 

[Jayson1]

"God friended me"

Seriously a show built on coincidences, that are linked to other coincidences.

I watched the first two episodes and am thinking this gets 1 season.

I really dislike the show Mannifest. I don't know why, I just can't get hooked in it.

Spoiler

Also the show Mannifest. I just the lead actress is boring. The show is now annoying me with the huge trope of evil government running experiments on passengers from the plane that landed in the present from 5 years in the past.

I forgot the show Mannifest even existed until you mentioned it. I know I saw one preview and had no interest. The cast looked way to young and pretty which is always a warning sign to me. Then the only have them missing for 5 years. What's the point. Can't do much fish out of water stuff with such a short passage of time. I mean have someone get shocked that Trump is president but what else is there? DId they have a "Trump is president, shock" moment in the show?


Jason

 

[bigdaddy]

I'm confused, God Friended Me and Manifest both got full season orders,

However NBC has the worst casting department. Everyone on Manifest can't act, the people in Timeless can't act, and the woman from The Blacklist is one of the worst actors in TV show history. She couldn't work her way out of a box, and probably was rejected from soap operas.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm confused, God Friended Me and Manifest both got full season orders,

However NBC has the worst casting department. Everyone on Manifest can't act, the people in Timeless can't act, and the woman from The Blacklist is one of the worst actors in TV show history. She couldn't work her way out of a box, and probably was rejected from soup operas.

It's something common on most network shows IMO. I disagree though with Timeless. I felt they did have a good cast. I especially liked Malcom Barrett and Sakina Jaffrey. I think they were all decent though.

Jason

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'm confused, God Friended Me and Manifest both got full season orders,

However NBC has the worst casting department. Everyone on Manifest can't act, the people in Timeless can't act, and the woman from The Blacklist is one of the worst actors in TV show history. She couldn't work her way out of a box, and probably was rejected from soap operas.

Yeah they got a full season 1 or did they both get renewed?

I didn't mind Timeless but season 2 is nothing but Rittenhouse, everyone's Rittenhouse but they will get a 2 hour movie to wrap the show up because it got cancelled after season 2.