And the Next Cancelled Show is...

[Guy Gardener]

In the third Doctor story, where exactly the same thing happened... The Doctor was off planet when it started. All UNIT had done was evacuate London and shoot up the place.

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In a mirror universe audio story where the 3rd Doctor was someone else (David Warner) who landed post-trial in Hong Kong 1999, rather than Great Britain 1970, a brief account of a Doctorless 20th century informed us that UNIT's final solution to the Dinosaur question was nuking London.

 

[bigdaddy]

Wasn't the last David Tennent story dealing with The Master taking over all the bodies on the planet and everyone comes back and goes "Let's blow the planet up because we are British!!!!!".

It's like "Umm... what the fuck type of solution is that?"

Slightly more on topic, as talked about in Designated Survivor, probably won't be canceled as the show is looking to hire a FOURTH show runner for 2-3 episode of a second season before hiring another new person.

At what point do you go 'stick a fork in it, it's done!"?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Designated is getting good numbers, production problems are not reflected in the ratings yet.

How confusing.

 

[bigdaddy]

Designated is getting good numbers, production problems are not reflected in the ratings yet.

How confusing.

It's only getting 'good' numbers by today's standards at ABC. They aren't in anyway good.

I take that back. Live is a 1.1 which is bad, however Live + 3Days is a 2.2!!! That's a hell of an increase.

Plus there is also this article that sounds like the show is just really fucked up...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...inging-fourth-showrunner-second-season-992278

 

[Guy Gardener]

Today's standards are all that matter, unless someone has promised to make America great again.

Almost 8 million viewers is what my research said, which is respectable, depending on what time of day/week that Designated is playing, even if ABC wants 14 million to justify it's investment.

 

[bigdaddy]

The numbers I have seen were over 9 million, which makes it 16th for the week, and 9th in the demo witth the 2.2,

 

[Guy Gardener]

Which again, seems good.

16th out of 200.

Oh.

Wikipedia is showing a downward spiral from 10 million (with the pilot) to 5 million viewers from week to week, a couple days ago.

Which is not good.

 

[bigdaddy]

Which again, seems good.

16th out of 200.

Oh.

Wikipedia is showing a downward spiral from 10 million (with the pilot) to 5 million viewers from week to week, a couple days ago.

Which is not good.

Yes, which is why I thought maybe a second season isn't a given. However I then looked up the Same Day + 3 numbers and the show doubles in the demo from 1.1 to a 2.2, and goes up 87% in overall viewing. So people are watching it, just probably not live. I'll try to find the link. The live numbers are pretty bad, but not for ABC because their dramas are DOA.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/week-28-broadcast-live-3-ratings-march-27-april-2-2017/

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm used to CW Shows who serve less than a million people and still expect to be renewed.

(Different sales model, I know. Economies of scale.)

The %86 increase is because that was (I think?) the first new episode back from hiatus, and was either heavily advertised, or what ever conflict was stealing their viewership 2 months ago, is no longer present.

I'm assuming that wikipedia does not register/include + 3 days numbers, which is why they are so fricking low.

 

[bigdaddy]

If you look on the side of the Wiki ratings it shows you the increase. However That wasn't the first episode back after the long break, it just gets really insane DVR viewing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Survivor_(TV_series)#Ratings

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm pretty sure that we are agreeing with each other, so why does it feel like when mommy and daddy used to yell?

 

[bigdaddy]

You haven't seen my yell yet.

You won't like me when I yell.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I watched the two pilots to the 70s Hulk a couple weeks back.

IT WAS MCGEE!!!!!

McGee accidentally started the fire that killed Susan Sullivan (the mum from Castle) and David Banner in the pilot that created this entire exile plot for the series... but McGee was too ####ing dumb to notice he started the fire.

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White fucking privilege.

Any excuse to put a green man down.

 

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[sojourner]

I watched the two pilots to the 70s Hulk a couple weeks back.

IT WAS MCGEE!!!!!

McGee accidentally started the fire that killed Susan Sullivan (the mum from Castle) and David Banner in the pilot that created this entire exile plot for the series... but McGee was too ####ing dumb to notice he started the fire.

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White fucking privilege.

Any excuse to put a green man down.

SPOILERS DUDE!!!

 

[tomswift2002]

Yeah, 13-15 is definitely the sweet spot to me, and I think it's become a lot more common in recent years. Anything longer these days, and I tend to lose interest. I think with the advent of digital distribution, I think producers have come to realize that they can craft stronger stories and put them out quicker by going with that amount, particularly if they have story arcs, which seems to be the case with most shows these days. I know that with around 15 episodes, I tend to feel satisfied when a season ends.

Looking back at some older shows, I've been surprised at how long some of the seasons are. The landscape certainly has changed a lot in that regard.

If you think the 13-15 mark is the best thing, you need to check out Disney's Zorro from the 1950's. Both seasons were 39 episodes in length (plus 4 "movies" that aired on Disney's anthology show within the 2 years of of the show's cancellation). Within the first season Disney managed to have 3 different story arcs taking up 13 episodes each, plus 2 of those story arcs where later shown to be part of a bigger arc. And then Season 2 started with another 13 episode arc before going to a bunch of 2 or 3 episode story arcs, and even a few standalone episodes for its final 26 episodes. And had the series continued for a 3rd or 4th season (the show was cancelled due to financial disagreements between Disney and ABC at the time) we probably would've seen more story arcs.

So while some people seem to think that these 13-episode season story arcs are new, or are based on British shows, really the American TV landscape has had these as the far back as the 1950's and by American producers.

 

[Owain Taggart]

So while some people seem to think that these 13-episode season story arcs are new, or are based on British shows, really the American TV landscape has had these as the far back as the 1950's and by American producers.

Well, like I said, the landscape has changed drastically from the days when they were able to put out so many episodes per season. It's just simply the nature of how things have evolved. It keeps changing too. Again, if you look at shows from the 80's and 90's, it was perhaps a bit more common for 20-25 episode seasons, and the current trend is for shorter seasons. Now, I'm not saying story arcs didn't exist before, but that the shorter seasons seem to capitalize on them in a stronger way.

 

[Marc]

Well, like I said, the landscape has changed drastically from the days when they were able to put out so many episodes per season. It's just simply the nature of how things have evolved. It keeps changing too. Again, if you look at shows from the 80's and 90's, it was perhaps a bit more common for 20-25 episode seasons, and the current trend is for shorter seasons. Now, I'm not saying story arcs didn't exist before, but that the shorter seasons seem to capitalize on them in a stronger way.

Run time for shows was also longer - early 80s it was around 49mins for 1 hours time slot. Late 80s/early90s say TNG's run it was 45mins. Early 2000s for Enterprise and we're down to 42mins.

 

[Owain Taggart]

^ Yeah, that too. I don't think they had many commercials, did they?

Oh and 15-min for half-hour shows.

It seems that time allotment for telling stories has shrunken, for a variety of reasons, some of it budgetary.

 

[Guy Gardener]

After I took out the credits, on VHs, episodes of Enterprise were only 37 minutes, so I could very easily fit 4 Enterprises and an episode of That Seventies show on every tape.

Couldn't do that with TNG or Voyager.