And the Next Cancelled Show is...
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Oh there are plenty of things to blame Obama on, like fucking over the country for the next 50 years by being a weak bitch, but sitcoms aren't one of them.
Will and Grace reboot is getting 12 episodes, up from 10.
We like quality over quantity.
^^^ Quality is a fine thing, to be sure, but when the seasons are too short, and there is too much hiatus downtime between them, people tend to forget to care about the characters and/or storylines, regardless of how good they may be. Yes, I, too, blame the British for beginning this trend years ago that American show-runners have gleefully adopted much to my chagrin - infuriated me to no end with "Red Dwarf". It's like paying $80 for a dinner that occupies about 15% of the plate's surface area. There's a word for that - "pretentious". Your shit has to be REALLY good to make people want to put up with that. There comes a point of diminishing returns on such a dangerous business model.
On the other hand, over-saturation and tired writing is the risk on the opposite end of the spectrum, with 20+ episode seasons per year (do any of those even exist anymore?) - burn-out potential for both the writers and audience becomes high. 13-15 episodes per season seemed to be a good compromise. 5 or 6 per season? Fuckall!
On the other hand, over-saturation and tired writing is the risk on the opposite end of the spectrum, with 20+ episode seasons per year (do any of those even exist anymore?) - burn-out potential for both the writers and audience becomes high. 13-15 episodes per season seemed to be a good compromise. 5 or 6 per season? Fuckall!
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I've only seen the first season, but I loved it, and intend to catch up sometime. Glad to hear it ended on a high note.
Oh there are plenty of things to blame Obama on, like fucking over the country for the next 50 years by being a weak bitch, but sitcoms aren't one of them.
Will and Grace reboot is getting 12 episodes, up from 10.
Obama didn't ruin America
The 20+ episode seasons are still very much a thing on the American broadcast networks. Most shows, unless they're mid-season replacements, cancelled early, or deliberately designed to have a limited season, are still in the 20-24 episode range.
Completely agree. Archer had what 10-13 episodes a season, now it's 8. That's a bigger fucking joke than the ones on the show. That's the length of a movie every year.
Stargates could have benefited from a 13 episode format. I like the 13-16 episodes a year, break it up to two 8 mini episodes. But 8 episodes total, fuck that.
Yeah, 13-15 is definitely the sweet spot to me, and I think it's become a lot more common in recent years. Anything longer these days, and I tend to lose interest. I think with the advent of digital distribution, I think producers have come to realize that they can craft stronger stories and put them out quicker by going with that amount, particularly if they have story arcs, which seems to be the case with most shows these days. I know that with around 15 episodes, I tend to feel satisfied when a season ends.
Looking back at some older shows, I've been surprised at how long some of the seasons are. The landscape certainly has changed a lot in that regard.
I think that's the issue. I'm glad now that the creators can choose how many episodes they want instead of the standard 'You need to do 22-24" that was around and then you get several filler episodes that are useless and lame.
But 8 episodes for a 22 minute long shows?! That's not enough. I'm currently watching Primeval for the first and the first season is 6 episodes, I could have done with one more episode, but it was a good length. However at 46 minutes apiece even that would be 12-13 comedy show length episodes.
And unfortunately, with the threat of yet another writers' strike looming on the horizon, a lot more of this fall season's shows are likely going to be more short-run than they normally would be. We'll be lucky to see 6-8 episodes, it at all! 
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been watching a locally filmed show that is currently in its 3rd season. First season was 13 episodes, then second was 8, and this season it's up to 9. But like that other show, it's a half-hour drama which means that it hardly has any time to really develop before it's over and would really benefit from an hour format. I think that half hours work best for comedy. That's my main issue with it, and some of it has some terrible decisions leading to some inefficient management of the time it does have on uninteresting stuff. I mean, if you know you're only going to have 8 episodes to tell a story, you would think they wouldn't squander the precious time they do have. For a half-hour drama, the development moves very slowly, and just when it gets to something interesting, episode's over. It's been frustrating as a viewer because as a local show, I'd like to support it, and because I know one of the actors in one of the main roles, but sometimes I feel like I can't over decisions like those.
A large part of why this is the case though is budget. See, in Canada, that budget gets allocated through a heritage fund for the arts and the productions have to apply for it, When they do, it doesn't automatically mean they do get it, and even if they do, it might be a reduction from what they asked for. So, that's what happened with this show. They've had to wait to even begin filming until they knew what kind of budget they were facing, hence the reduction in episodes. and long wait between seasons ( a 2 year wait between seasons 1 and 2 for instance) And I think Primeval was filmed in Canada? It might have been the case for that too. But productions have definitely felt cuts and have had to scale back some.
I looked up Primeval to make sure Amazon has it all. Canada had one season of Primeval: New World which is just a retelling of the British one (I think.). It's all overly complicated.
It's like when BSG was finishing and we got an extra episode because they filmed so much and I think Sy-Fy was having a fit. It's like if they filmed it just include it anyways.
And the writers are fucking crybaby assholes. The last time they had a strike was the most useless bullshit ever, and they gave in, the whole thing was for nothing. But I think Fox is holding onto 4-5 episodes of Lucifer just because of the strike. They ordered extra episodes that are more stand-alone.
And back to the point, Criminal Minds has been renewed for a 13th season.
It's like when BSG was finishing and we got an extra episode because they filmed so much and I think Sy-Fy was having a fit. It's like if they filmed it just include it anyways.
And the writers are fucking crybaby assholes. The last time they had a strike was the most useless bullshit ever, and they gave in, the whole thing was for nothing. But I think Fox is holding onto 4-5 episodes of Lucifer just because of the strike. They ordered extra episodes that are more stand-alone.
And back to the point, Criminal Minds has been renewed for a 13th season.
The Good Place is an example of a new show that is following the new 13-episode format. I really wish they were making more. I don't know that 22-24 episodes are needed, but about 18 would feel right to me. Especially since the episodes are only half an hour.
Primeval Canada was a sequel.
It's a prequel, by a couple months. The British actor from the British show admits that modern day is not his present, but time might have fucked up, which happens, becuase the Canadian Government should the have have known about Dinosaurs if the original series started in 2007.[/quote]
How did they cover up the fact that they had random dinos running around the UK every time they did appear?
I mean this is the age of cellphones and stuff so how would you cover that up?
I mean this is the age of cellphones and stuff so how would you cover that up?
Money and threats, or "It's a movie" and 90 percent of the people who saw a dinosaur, were eaten by a dinosaur, so you didn't have to explain shit to them.
Both shows are very good.
The British show changed it's actors a lot which lead to changing it's story lines too, but it was highly enjoyable.
Primeval UK started off as zoo-ologists saving animals and then slowly transformed into soldier boys with scientifically impossible tasers, at odds with conspiracies from Earth/s of the future.
The Canadian Primeval lead was the sexy Han Solo Type on Eureka, if you can't place him.
Both shows are very good.
The British show changed it's actors a lot which lead to changing it's story lines too, but it was highly enjoyable.
Primeval UK started off as zoo-ologists saving animals and then slowly transformed into soldier boys with scientifically impossible tasers, at odds with conspiracies from Earth/s of the future.
The Canadian Primeval lead was the sexy Han Solo Type on Eureka, if you can't place him.
I just started the third season of Primeval, it's really fun and crazy. Kind of reminds me of Sliders if they also slide through time.
And why don't the British now about the dinosaurs... same reason why they don;t know of the dinosaurs and aliens in Doctor Who, Brits are really stupid.
And why don't the British now about the dinosaurs... same reason why they don;t know of the dinosaurs and aliens in Doctor Who, Brits are really stupid.
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Maybe we do know and it's just we don't like to make a fuss.I just started the third season of Primeval, it's really fun and crazy. Kind of reminds me of Sliders if they also slide through time.
And why don't the British now about the dinosaurs... same reason why they don;t know of the dinosaurs and aliens in Doctor Who, Brits are really stupid.
Maybe we do know and it's just we don't like to make a fuss.
Nah..... Primeval could take place in the Doctor Who universe. Everyone who does find out dies or doesn't seem to care. I mean EVERYONE on Primeval is an idiot, the scientists, the governments, the civilians. Everyone is dumber than a Trump supporter.
