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News And the Next Animated Reconstruction is...

The people behind the animated reconstructions are hoping to work out a deal with BBC to accelerate the process and work on multiple animations at once.

I think "multiple" seems like a little bit of an exaggeration. He seems to say they'll be working on two, at most, at any one time.

"What we want to do – and I believe at this stage we will do – is to get the next one started reasonably soon, but before completing that one, we start the one after that... that's the goal."

I suspect at the moment each one is commissioned and completed before the deal for the next is started. So I guess the change is more about looking forward and commissioning them more quickly, so the art and design, storyboarding etc can start for the next one whilst the previous one is towards the end of the animating and editing process. There needn't be any impact to quality.

What it probably does mean is that BBC Studios sees these as reliable sellers with predictable returns. So that's good news.
 
I think "multiple" seems like a little bit of an exaggeration. He seems to say they'll be working on two, at most, at any one time.

"What we want to do – and I believe at this stage we will do – is to get the next one started reasonably soon, but before completing that one, we start the one after that... that's the goal."

I suspect at the moment each one is commissioned and completed before the deal for the next is started. So I guess the change is more about looking forward and commissioning them more quickly, so the art and design, storyboarding etc can start for the next one whilst the previous one is towards the end of the animating and editing process. There needn't be any impact to quality.

What it probably does mean is that BBC Studios sees these as reliable sellers with predictable returns. So that's good news.
Well, there are now animated templates for the first Doctor, Vicki, Stephen and Dod, plus the second, Ben, Polly and Jamie. All helps. Wheel in Space and Space Pirates need a Zoe, as I doubt they can just get the Cosgrove Hall one.
 
Well, there are now animated templates for the first Doctor, Vicki, Stephen and Dod, plus the second, Ben, Polly and Jamie. All helps. Wheel in Space and Space Pirates need a Zoe, as I doubt they can just get the Cosgrove Hall one.

It's so weird to me that animation needs "templates" now (for the actual animation, that is, as opposed to character model sheets). It used to be that people just drew characters by hand. High technology is supposed to remove limitations, not create new ones.
 
It's so weird to me that animation needs "templates" now (for the actual animation, that is, as opposed to character model sheets). It used to be that people just drew characters by hand. High technology is supposed to remove limitations, not create new ones.
How would it be creating new limitations? The suggestion is that they can reuse character sets across different projects, thus reducing duplication of effort.

I don't think many animated productions have been entirely drawn freehand for a very long time, but I'm no expert.

But actually I don't think it makes much difference either way because usually there are enough consume changes between stories to mean the reuse is fairly limited. Maybe it means they don't have to redraw Frazer Hines' face from scratch every time they start a project.
 
How would it be creating new limitations?

Isn't it obvious? The statement was, "Well, there are now animated templates for the first Doctor, Vicki, Stephen and Dod, plus the second, Ben, Polly and Jamie. All helps. Wheel in Space and Space Pirates need a Zoe, as I doubt they can just get the Cosgrove Hall one." The underlying assumption is that the animators cannot create animation of a character without access to an existing digital template they can load into a computer and manipulate. That is obviously more limiting than just grabbing a pencil and paper and drawing whatever you want to draw freehand.


I don't think many animated productions have been entirely drawn freehand for a very long time, but I'm no expert.

I think that real 2D animation, as opposed to cel-shaded 3D like The Dragon Prince or this low-budget, low-quality Flash animation the Who reconstructions use, is still largely drawn freehand, except that the drawing is done on a computer tablet instead of a piece of paper. Even 3D-animated shows still use freehand sketches for the early stages of character design, storyboards, and such. The end credits of the 3D-animated shows The Dragon Prince (cel-shaded) and Hulu's Dreamworks Dragons: The Nine Realms (not cel-shaded) both feature hand-drawn 2D sketches of characters, items, and scenes featured in the episodes; I often think they look better and have more character and expressiveness than the final 3D.


Maybe it means they don't have to redraw Frazer Hines' face from scratch every time they start a project.

Well, obviously in traditional animation, they had to redraw a character's face thousands of times over, except in limited animation where they just do lip and eye movements over a static image of the face. Is it more work? Yes. But it also allows greater versatility, since you aren't limited to a finite range of models. Life is full of tradeoffs.

Of course, the ideal situation in that case would be to have both digital models that are relatively easy to animate and the necessary time and budget to create as many new models as you want, including costume changes. The problem is that many shows don't have the time and budget, so they're stuck with a limited range of models and that inhibits what they can achieve. So you get situations like the "Macra Terror" reconstruction where they had to cut out the refreshment-center scene because it required costume and hairstyle changes their models wouldn't allow. Or Star Wars Resistance, where the characters hardly ever changed their attire and the female lead was sometimes absurdly shown lounging on her bed in her full flight suit, minus only the helmet. Or Dreamworks Dragons: Race to the Edge where they only had a couple of character models they reused for all of the background dragon-hunter villains in the later seasons, so that it seemed like they were battling a clone army. You can tell a 3D show has a good budget when its characters change their costumes or appearance relatively often, e.g. in Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.

Granted, this could sometimes happen in the days of traditional animation as well, for instance in Star Trek: The Animated Series, where the characters went through the entire series with virtually no costume changes, which is why they used "force field belts" instead of proper spacesuits, so that they could just superimpose a belt and a yellow outline over the stock cels of the characters. Even in "Yesteryear," when Spock wore Vulcan desert robes, he clearly had his Starfleet uniform on underneath them. The Who reconstructions are a throwback to those days of very, very limited animation, which hardly makes them ideal. Their quality is low even compared to the average moderately-budgeted animated TV show in the US.
 
Sorry, I think you've misunderstood. @diankra wasn't saying they *can't* make new ones, simply that existing character sets can be reused, therefore saving a bit of time and money.

This has happened in some of the animations - e.g. the main character art in The Macra Terror was used in The Faceless Ones. Some of the background characters in the latter are also Macra Terror characters.

But they can't just be used wholesale because they usually need tweaks - e.g. Polly's hair is different in those two stories. But it probably helps around the margins.

These animations are done on a shoestring and every penny helps. They use these character kits because it's the only way they are affordable. The somewhat more fluid style of The Moonbase isn't possible within current budgets.
 
These animations are done on a shoestring and every penny helps. They use these character kits because it's the only way they are affordable. The somewhat more fluid style of The Moonbase isn't possible within current budgets.

Which is basically my point. It annoys me that these are made so cheaply, that they have to be so low-quality compared to the usual standard for modern animation. I mean, Disney's pouring huge amounts of money into the new episodes, so can't they send a little more of it over this way?
 
Which is basically my point. It annoys me that these are made so cheaply, that they have to be so low-quality compared to the usual standard for modern animation. I mean, Disney's pouring huge amounts of money into the new episodes, so can't they send a little more of it over this way?
It would be nice if they could, but they obviously have no interest in Classic Who.

All the classic projects are funded by BBC Studios. Apparently the animations do get some money from BBC iPlayer which has replaced some of the former BBC America contribution. It's a miracle they get made at all.

And the Daleks and War Games colourisations were funded by the commission for BBC4 broadcast.
 
Which is basically my point. It annoys me that these are made so cheaply, that they have to be so low-quality compared to the usual standard for modern animation. I mean, Disney's pouring huge amounts of money into the new episodes, so can't they send a little more of it over this way?
Disney doesn't care about previous Doctor Who. Remember, Ncuti's first season is their first season of DW. All the money they spent on it went to his first two seasons and The War Between the Land and the Sea (5 episodes). None of it is going to classic who or even the 60th specials (although they agreed to stream them).
 
Disney isn't streaming any of classic Who and wasn't involved in it's production, so I don't see why they would be interested in it. They're not going to be making any money off of the animation so it would be a waste of money for them to put any money towards them. Unless they bought the rights to all of Doctor Who? I was under the impression they were just co-producing and airing the new seasons, but all of the rights and everything still belonged to the BBC.
 
Correct, Disney only has any involvement with the Gatwa seasons as far as production goes and as far as streaming rights go, they can't touch anything before the 60th anniversary specials with Tennant. They certainly have nothing to do with Classic Doctors, nor are they involved with the animated reconstructions in any manner.
 
Would the rest of the revival seasons be included with the new seasons, or would they be separate, when it comes to streaming rites and things like that? I had been assuming that they were all and that we'd be getting Series 1-13 on Disney+ eventually, but the fact that they started the numbering over, and there's no sign or mention anywhere of the earlier season coming the Disney+ has me thinking that might not be the case.
 
Would the rest of the revival seasons be included with the new seasons, or would they be separate, when it comes to streaming rites and things like that? I had been assuming that they were all and that we'd be getting Series 1-13 on Disney+ eventually, but the fact that they started the numbering over, and there's no sign or mention anywhere of the earlier season coming the Disney+ has me thinking that might not be the case.
As far as I know only the Gatwa stuff is Disney.
 
Would the rest of the revival seasons be included with the new seasons, or would they be separate, when it comes to streaming rites and things like that? I had been assuming that they were all and that we'd be getting Series 1-13 on Disney+ eventually, but the fact that they started the numbering over, and there's no sign or mention anywhere of the earlier season coming the Disney+ has me thinking that might not be the case.
Totally separate, they are with HBO Max for now. Although there is talk that the deal is expiring and maybe Disney would take it as part of an overall package for a third season.
 
OK. I've only seen the first with Johi Whattaker season/series and I was wondering which I service I was going to be able to watch the other two on. Max is coming up next on my rotation, so I'll watch them there.
 
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