And if Korok said "No"?

[Guy Gardener]

One of the stupidest shortcuts Janeway overlooked to get home was forgetting to ask the Captain Korok if he could take a week out of his life to tractor Voyager (take her crew home and scuttle voyager?)home before he began his civil war.

Maybe she asked him and he said "No"?

Maybe she didn't ask him and he would have said "No".

Nobody says "No" to kathryn Janeway.

I hear you saying non-interference directive and prime directive?

Klingons and Borg have to be exempt after all the good times they've had with the Federation, unless there's an internal conflict going on. But strays in open space?

Should Voyager's Captain have taken/commandeered Korok's Borg Sphere to get home?

Besides the Khitomer accords (Remember when Riker and Kurn swapped?) detail it that their militaries are consolidated in some matters that Janeway might have been able to have pulled rank? Which ever ship is tactically superior gets command don't you know?

 

[Finn]

Yes. That was probably one of the biggest plot holes ever, even bigger than the Khan remembering Chekov thing.

 

[Jax]

What they should of done is had Korok slam his ship into the cube because well that sort of cube should of been too much even for Sphere & Voyager.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But that's how Chuckles ended up as her XO?

She'd then be responsible for taking those free Borg that were going her way if they wanted to ride along. And if the Free Borg outnumbered the Maquis, then sadly the Indian would have to step down as XO and let Korok have the bitch seat.

 

[Deks]

I agree it's a pretty big plot hole ... but up until that point, Voyager's experiences while travelling at faster than warp speeds have been less than stellar.
Perhaps it wasn't until the very end of Season 7 that sufficient modifications to the hull were done (or devised) so it can better withstand the stresses at those speeds.

It could be explained as such ... then again, with Borg technology provided from that Sphere, and 7 of 9 having a new-found source of tech to work with, it would likely be doable.

Sphere ramming the Tactical cube?
I agree the TC was a bit of a mammoth for Voyager and the Sphere to handle properly, BUT, the Sphere likely had intimate knowledge of the TC (including it's vulnerabilities) in it's data-banks.
With a group of new-found individuals who managed to wake up and commandeer the Sphere, they started devising strategies the Borg wouldn't be able to predict so easily.

 

[kathrynjaneway]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Why not just ask Korok to take them to the AQ?! That was a 100% opportunity to get home. Never understood why they didn't take it.
As far as the stresses on the hull are concerned, I don't think that would have been such a big problem. And what about the sphere tractoring Voyager inside and taking it to earth that way? The sphere at the end of Endgame could do it, so why not Korok's?

 

[kimc]

Never thought of that but yes it's a huge plot hole.

 

[Deks]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Why not just ask Korok to take them to the AQ?! That was a 100% opportunity to get home. Never understood why they didn't take it.
As far as the stresses on the hull are concerned, I don't think that would have been such a big problem. And what about the sphere tractoring Voyager inside and taking it to earth that way? The sphere at the end of Endgame could do it, so why not Korok's?

There are apparently 2 different versions of Borg spheres.
One is a smaller support ship we saw in FC launching from a Cube to perform a temporal jump.

The other one is a larger one with a port opening that is suitable for accommodating an Intrepid class ship.

Do we know if Korok's sphere was the larger or a smaller one?

 

[Udat]

Yet another plot hole, more like a black hole.

 

[kathrynjaneway]

Well here are three Borg ships...
The first is the "small" one from Dark Frontier.

The second one is Korok's sphere. It's the best I could find with Voyager next to it:

And this one is from Endgame:


I think 2 and 3 look pretty much the same, sizewise...so it shouldn't have been a problem to transport Voyager inside...hm.

 

[Guy Gardener]

remember Eye of the needle?

Janeway is fine with abandoning Voyager if there's a better way home.

The sphere could have taken the crew WITHOUT taking Voyager back tot he AQ... Which is something i suggested in the first post, it's just then a question of if they skuttle Voyager to avoid its technology falling into the wrong hands or... Why exactly were they just going to leave Voyager adrift in Eye of the Needle? The Doctor was all melencholly about being left alone on the ship till the end of time.

You can wedge 150 people uncomfortably into the smallest of spaces.

Besides this is borg tech.

If they really felt like it, they could have kept the entire ship in transporter suspension for the next couple years till after the civil war when it was in their convenience to head back home and upgrade the empire to the point they can frag the Romulans right and proper.

You would think that if Janeway offered to win Korok his civil war in exchange for passage home that it would be a good thing to do and make the universe a much safer place?

 

[AuntKate]

We are assuming that the Queen wasn't still hunting down the Unimatrix Zero drones. In fact, we really don't know what was going on in the Borg hive at that point. It might not have been an option for Korok to tow Voyager home, and it might have been a deadly proposition for the crew to beam onto his ship. The fact that these freed Borg never reappeared in the series is an ominous sign imho. I wonder how many of them, if any, survived for very long.

 

[Praxius]

Quite honestly there were dozens of opportunities that presented themselves that Janeway could have jumped on to get home which she either had some personal moral issue (such as Q's offers) or just simply didn't notice them and went on about their day.

But then if she ever did, the series would have ended sooner.

Then again, it could have been kind of cool if half the series was about them getting home and the other half them doing things in the AQ.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They were mentioned again in endgame by that cute little cadet.

But if a futile battle guaranteeing death gives a klingon a hard on, the same can hardly be said for janeway who should have been able to think about convincing Korok to pick his battles.