A whole bunch of people will give equal (or more) time to a psychic than a doctor when being ill. And they'll die, or at least suffer medical consequences for their credulity.
Ancient Aliens, Yes or No?
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I think any project that required the use of massive amounts of resources indicates we can reproduce the Pyramids. The shit they're building in Dubai shows we could probably do it in far less time as well. The question is "Why bother?"
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Good point.
People are starting to look into the power of belief. That if belief in something is strong enough it can have an effect in the real world. Cancer patients for whom no drug worked, but their belief in getting well did and cured them.
If the scientific method means testing, and results that can be repeated, then be true to it. Build something in the very same manner that the pyramids were. Even if it is just lifting a few blocks of that size and putting them together in the same precise fashion. Simply to validate the scientific theory.
Pyramids approaching the size of those in Giza, or even larger, are not the same if they are not built the same way, of the same size materials, etc. What we are discussing is whether or not there is the ability today to duplicate what was done in the past.
A good night to all. I'll check in tomorrow to see who is the latest to believe that I am a hopelessly unreachable boob.
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You're going to have to cite evidence for that one, and not "they felt better" evidence, but real, verifiable, tested data.
It has already been validated. If, at this point, you feel it isn't validated, then no one will convince you. You could, of course, always build one yourself.
Time and manpower, and yes, we could build a pyramid like Giza.
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But could we make...A CRYSTAL SKULL?!
We can try. First we're going to need a refrigerator.
No, no, you don't understand, the Pyramids were built as landing platforms for Ha'tak craft.
I love this History Channel program. 
It's actually fun to watch, almost laughable at times. That Tsoukalos guy's got a weird tan and funny looking hair.
I'm a believer that there's life elsewhere in the universe, but I don't necessarily believe in aliens and UFOs visiting Earth. We need more evidence, obviously. We don't have any proof that modern-day aliens exist, or ancient ones, for that matter.
It's actually fun to watch, almost laughable at times. That Tsoukalos guy's got a weird tan and funny looking hair.I'm a believer that there's life elsewhere in the universe, but I don't necessarily believe in aliens and UFOs visiting Earth. We need more evidence, obviously. We don't have any proof that modern-day aliens exist, or ancient ones, for that matter.
If you're talking about the lines, archaeologists have already worked out how they did that. If you're talking about something else, what is it?
But could we make...A CRYSTAL SKULL?!
There are already several.
Sure the ability is there. Are you serious? The problem is expense. If you want to see a replication of prehistoric engineering, look at the BBC's project to replicate the raising of the Stonehenge trilithon (Secrets of Ancient Civilizations). It took a lot of people and a few engineers doing a lot of head scratching but they managed it. They also managed to suggest other ways it could have been done. It was expensive though, and most of the people involved volunteered. In order to now get a pyramid built to the size of one of the Giza pyramids would beggar a nation.
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Nope, the blocks are made of an ancient form of cement...
http://www.livescience.com/history/070518_bts_barsoum_pyramids.html
People had looked into the "power of belief" for thousand years, praying for healing and the end of plagues, and they died like mayflies. It was science, medicine and hygiene that improved human health and longevity, not "belief".
As for "faith healing", it's the same with homoeopathy and any other kind of pseudo-scientific "medicine", i.e. they were shown to have the same statistical incidence of placebos. The brain is a weird machine, and its influence on the whole body is not fully understood yet: but it's a completely different animal than "if I believe in something strongly enough, it will have an effect on the real world". Better to leave that to Neil Gaiman's novels.
They already did it. They publicized it. They made tv shows of it. But apparently, it was not enough for people who would wilfully ignore evidences for the thrill of the "unsolvable mystery". Which is find and dandy, but it is, quite obviously, not science.
When it comes down to it, if placebos can work, they're a powerful medicine that should be utilized. I took some vitamin D last week for depression. There is some scientific support for that working, but I dont know how solid. I took 2000u and the effect was very noticable. This is the practical level that people will continue to operate at. You simply cannot wait on science, especially where the medical field is corrupted by pharmaceutical industries.
Anyway, the alien question often annoys me. Of course it's possible, and even probable. If there is a super advanced civilization within range - if range is even a consideration - they are almost guaranteed to be observing us to some degree. And we will never see them.
Since abduction stories are parallel with faerie abduction stories of the past, I think those aspects of the alien question are about the inner world, not the outer one as physical aliens on another planet must be.
It's an interesting and compelling thought - that given the size of the universe, the aliens are definitely out there, and if they can observe us, they almost certainly already are. And how many Voyager probes are zipping around out there, not of Earth? There would be exponentially more of those than super advanced civilizations.
Anyway, the alien question often annoys me. Of course it's possible, and even probable. If there is a super advanced civilization within range - if range is even a consideration - they are almost guaranteed to be observing us to some degree. And we will never see them.
Since abduction stories are parallel with faerie abduction stories of the past, I think those aspects of the alien question are about the inner world, not the outer one as physical aliens on another planet must be.
It's an interesting and compelling thought - that given the size of the universe, the aliens are definitely out there, and if they can observe us, they almost certainly already are. And how many Voyager probes are zipping around out there, not of Earth? There would be exponentially more of those than super advanced civilizations.
Fair enough. If it has been done and I missed it (didn't watch tv at all for a few years) then I am perfectly willing to move on.
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What is everyone's take on the 'face' on Mars? The photographic images don't seem to be of good enough quality to prove anything, one way or the other. NASA's images of the 'face' which they claimed proved that it was "just a pile of rocks" were really not all that much better than any of the rest.
The part of the story that I found most interesting was the mathematical relationships between the 'face,' 'D&M pyramid,' 'city,' 'tholus,' etc. The angles between them, distance ratios, etc. The claim was that such intricate and precise mathematical relationships do not occur naturally in rock features.
I haven't heard of any refutation up to this point. Has there been any? Has anyone shown any instances where they fudged their figures?
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Iguana, you wouldn't happen to know the name of those TV programs offhand would you? The library we have here has a decent collection of DVD documentaries and a good search engine for what they don't have. I'd really like to see those shows. I'd appreciate any info you could throw my way. Have a good one! 
No face. It was an artefact of low-resolution image and the propensity of human brain to see faces everywhere (paraeidolia).wiki said:High resolution Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter image of the "Face on Mars". Taken using the onboard HiRISE camera.
As for mathematical relations, if you look hard enough (and squint a little), there are funny mathematical relationship between everything.
Definitely possible, but we need more proof.
What I am interested in is who built the Spinx? I have heard it was thousands of years older than the Pyramids determined by the water erosion. The Pyramids have vertical water erosion whereas the Spinx has horizontal water erosion as if it was sitting in water of a long period of time and from what I understand that area of the world had sitting water 5000 years before the Pyramids were built.
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