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An Anti-CBS PROGRAMMING rant (aks the House of Cards Network)

I agree wholeheartedly with the original poster. Despite the apologetics made by some for CBS, their procedural programming is by and large extremely formulaic. In program after program you see the same cinematography, the same use of computer graphics to dramatize ballistics, the same generic soundtracks and music video forensic vignettes, etc. I'm not an opponent of episodic television per se. The Twilight Zone was a great genre program. But, most procedurals are as mass produced as their titles suggest, to wit: NCIS LA, CSI Miami, etc.

Additionally, I don't think you have to be a social conservative, Christian fundamentalist, or prude to be annoyed at how sitcoms and American comedy in general have been hijacked by vulgar sexual humor. CBS is a major offender in this regard, but then so are the other networks. Consider where, in modern pop entertainment, is the place for pure slapstick comedy and comedy of manners? Outside of children's entertainment, which is increasingly encroached upon by the vulgar (the transition from cell-animated to CG films is emblematic in this regard) examples are few and far between. They can be named, but that's the point - they have to be singled out.
 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It is broke. The CBS formula appeals to an aging audience. Advertisers don't want to advertise to old farts. So how is CBS going to pay the bills?

The kids, to the extent they even watch TV, are watching cable, the CW, maybe some FOX. All the networks should be very concerned about that. Maybe there's no solution besides going out of business, but at least they should attempt some solutions and not just stay firmly ensconced in their deck chairs while the Titanic sinks to the bottom of the sea.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with the original poster. Despite the apologetics made by some for CBS, their procedural programming is by and large extremely formulaic. In program after program you see the same cinematography, the same use of computer graphics to dramatize ballistics, the same generic soundtracks and music video forensic vignettes, etc. I'm not an opponent of episodic television per se. The Twilight Zone was a great genre program. But, most procedurals are as mass produced as their titles suggest, to wit: NCIS LA, CSI Miami, etc.

Additionally, I don't think you have to be a social conservative, Christian fundamentalist, or prude to be annoyed at how sitcoms and American comedy in general have been hijacked by vulgar sexual humor. CBS is a major offender in this regard, but then so are the other networks. Consider where, in modern pop entertainment, is the place for pure slapstick comedy and comedy of manners? Outside of children's entertainment, which is increasingly encroached upon by the vulgar (the transition from cell-animated to CG films is emblematic in this regard) examples are few and far between. They can be named, but that's the point - they have to be singled out.

Thank you! Glad to know others out there recognize the problems with the CBS Network. Whether the executives over there ever wake up and try a different direction...that we will see.
 
It is broke. The CBS formula appeals to an aging audience. Advertisers don't want to advertise to old farts. So how is CBS going to pay the bills?
CBS drama shows draw a lot of older viewers, but they also draw enough viewers in the 18-49 demo to keep CBS very competitive in that regard. NCIS premiered to a 4.3 in the demo and Criminal Minds to a 4.1. Those are great demo ratings. The fact that a lot of viewers older than 49 also watch those shows and give them much bigger total audiences than a show like Glee, which premiered to a 4.0 this season, doesn't negate the significant success CBS has in the demo and the revenue they derive from that. For the last five seasons CBS has had the most total viewers and placed second behind Fox in the 18-49 demo.
 
Have you ever considered NOT watching CBS? I think there might be two or three other TV stations out there.
 
These things are cyclical, if network tv lasts long enough CBS will drop out of first place and rethink their programing. til then they'll enjoy being top dog. Remember when NBC was the top network? The Thursday night comedy block. Top dramas like Hill Street and LA Law. Now they're on the bottom. Cyclical.
 
These things are cyclical, if network tv lasts long enough CBS will drop out of first place and rethink their programing. til then they'll enjoy being top dog. Remember when NBC was the top network? The Thursday night comedy block. Top dramas like Hill Street and LA Law. Now they're on the bottom. Cyclical.
 
I seem to remember NBC being in first or second place as late as 2004 (then Friends ended, Law & Order and ER began to have ratings problems, etc).
 
Personally, I don't give a damn about ratings or box office earnings. I don't go shopping for groceries with Proctor and Gamble's profitability in mind, nor do I judge television networks by how much money they make for their advertisers. Profitability is their concern. The viewer's concern is how good the programming is, period. Sometimes I think we have too much information today about the popularity of programming online. Opening weekends for movies have become horseraces, much like our presidential elections.

At any rate, I would argue that the scientific precision with which media enterprises tailor their programs, movies, and music to consumer tastes has royally screwed up our popular culture. Any vibrant culture needs unpopular works, needs serendipity and surprise, needs the public to be convinced of appreciating something new, something it never would have asked for or even imagined before. Just as the classifieds, until recently, subsidized real journalism, crappy programming can subsidize quality television. The point with a network like CBS is that it has practically nothing of quality to support, even if its corporate culture was given to such acts of public service.
 
Well, it's pretty clear to me that the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

Virtually all of the procedurals he's complained are so episodic and devoid of story arcs have for years now featured major season-long story arcs that were touched on in just about every episode.

While I haven't followed "CSI:New York" all that closely, both of the other shows in the CSI franchise were pretty arc heavy of late. CSI:Vegas actually had two major overlapping arcs this past season, the primary being the ongoing storyline involving the stalking of CSI Ray Langston by an escaped serial killer named Nate Haskel; and the secondary dealing with another serial killer they called "Dr Jekyll" who surgically altered his victims. The season prior to that, there was a season log arc about "the miniature killer", who produced intricately detailed models of his intended crime scenes, and used them to taunt the authorities.

And CSI:Miami has featured major season long arcs for years now, as well as a couple of arcs that have continued from one season to the next, and one or two which have recurred for the entire run of the show.

Moreover, both NCIS series featured major on-going storylines this past season, as did "Criminal Minds". All three of these shows spent the better half of the last season setting up the events for their respective cliff-hangers, and in all three cases, these storylines were only partially resolved in their season premieres. Which means that these storylines will likely resurface again and again, as ongoing story-lines this season as well.
 
CHARDMAN should go back and read the original post as I did say FEW if any but which allows that there were some but even with them there is a clear difference between the begainning-middle and end story telling of say CRIMINAL MINDS episode and the serialized drama CBS has largely turned its back on for its formulaic shows.
 
^Again, I reject the notion that serialized drama is automatically superior to episodic storytelling. It's more fashionable today, but it's shortsighted to think that contemporary fashion represents an objective assessment of quality. After all, 50 years ago, TV viewers and producers were convinced that episodic drama was the pinnacle of quality and sophistication while serial drama was lowbrow rubbish. It's never safe to assume that the preferences and prejudices of your current place and time represent universal truths.

Both episodic and serial storytelling can be done well or done poorly. Serial storytelling is all too often an excuse to put too little thought into each individual episode, to make each one only a small fragment of a hugely diluted and decompressed story that doesn't really have enough substance to fill the space it occupies. Or to toss in questions after questions as a way to avoid admitting that you don't have any good answers (the dreadful V remake was a classic example of this). Done poorly, modern serial shows are no better than the disdained soap operas of decades past.

In my view, the best approach is to strike a balance between episodic and serial formats: have each episode tell a meaningful, satisfying story of its own, but make sure that the stories have consequences, that the characters grow and develop. You can have an overall arc that develops over the course of a season or series, but each individual chapter should be a story of its own rather than just an hourlong fragment of a single decompressed narrative. That way it's strong both on the level of the parts and the level of the whole, instead of just one or the other. And there are a lot more shows like that than you're admitting. A lot of the episodic shows you're disdaining have a healthy mix of episodic and serial content.
 
^Again, I reject the notion that serialized drama is automatically superior to episodic storytelling. It's more fashionable today, but it's shortsighted to think that contemporary fashion represents an objective assessment of quality. After all, 50 years ago, TV viewers and producers were convinced that episodic drama was the pinnacle of quality and sophistication while serial drama was lowbrow rubbish. It's never safe to assume that the preferences and prejudices of your current place and time represent universal truths.

Both episodic and serial storytelling can be done well or done poorly. Serial storytelling is all too often an excuse to put too little thought into each individual episode, to make each one only a small fragment of a hugely diluted and decompressed story that doesn't really have enough substance to fill the space it occupies. Or to toss in questions after questions as a way to avoid admitting that you don't have any good answers (the dreadful V remake was a classic example of this). Done poorly, modern serial shows are no better than the disdained soap operas of decades past.

In my view, the best approach is to strike a balance between episodic and serial formats: have each episode tell a meaningful, satisfying story of its own, but make sure that the stories have consequences, that the characters grow and develop. You can have an overall arc that develops over the course of a season or series, but each individual chapter should be a story of its own rather than just an hourlong fragment of a single decompressed narrative. That way it's strong both on the level of the parts and the level of the whole, instead of just one or the other. And there are a lot more shows like that than you're admitting. A lot of the episodic shows you're disdaining have a healthy mix of episodic and serial content.

Christopher I think the best approach scenario you write about would describe season FOUR of ENTERPRISE which was the perfect balance of serialized and episodic type stories. Currently I will admit that Hawaii 50 does do a good job of mixing the ongoing Wo Fat story with stand alones.
 
^Again, I reject the notion that serialized drama is automatically superior to episodic storytelling. It's more fashionable today, but it's shortsighted to think that contemporary fashion represents an objective assessment of quality. After all, 50 years ago, TV viewers and producers were convinced that episodic drama was the pinnacle of quality and sophistication while serial drama was lowbrow rubbish. It's never safe to assume that the preferences and prejudices of your current place and time represent universal truths.

Both episodic and serial storytelling can be done well or done poorly. Serial storytelling is all too often an excuse to put too little thought into each individual episode, to make each one only a small fragment of a hugely diluted and decompressed story that doesn't really have enough substance to fill the space it occupies. Or to toss in questions after questions as a way to avoid admitting that you don't have any good answers (the dreadful V remake was a classic example of this). Done poorly, modern serial shows are no better than the disdained soap operas of decades past.

In my view, the best approach is to strike a balance between episodic and serial formats: have each episode tell a meaningful, satisfying story of its own, but make sure that the stories have consequences, that the characters grow and develop. You can have an overall arc that develops over the course of a season or series, but each individual chapter should be a story of its own rather than just an hourlong fragment of a single decompressed narrative. That way it's strong both on the level of the parts and the level of the whole, instead of just one or the other. And there are a lot more shows like that than you're admitting. A lot of the episodic shows you're disdaining have a healthy mix of episodic and serial content.

Christopher I think the best approach scenario you write about would describe season FOUR of ENTERPRISE which was the perfect balance of serialized and episodic type stories. Currently I will admit that Hawaii 50 does do a good job of mixing the ongoing Wo Fat story with stand alones.

I like Hawaii Five-0 and because of that I have started to watch the old show on NETFLIX. I watched one about a hitman aiming his gun at a woman on a ledge and it was really well written. They should go back and use some of those old episodes. I like that fact that one of the Ironchefs, Morimoto, showed up on Five-0 last year too.
 
Personally, I don't give a damn about ratings or box office earnings.

Since those things determine what we do and don't get to see, I find them interesting, both from a civilian and professional perspective. They're certainly a valid topic for a thread.

At any rate, I would argue that the scientific precision with which media enterprises tailor their programs, movies, and music to consumer tastes has royally screwed up our popular culture.
TV and movies have always used a feedback mechanism to determine what sorts of things get made and what don't. It's been like this from the start, so how can it start screwing anything up now that it hasn't been screwing up all along? When did crappy programming ever subsidize quality television?

There's a good argument to be made that popular culture itself is worthless because of the commercial component. But that's what museums and opera halls are for.

^Again, I reject the notion that serialized drama is automatically superior to episodic storytelling.

Futurama has had a good run with the episodic format. But almost all the examples of really good TV I can think of are serialized. This might be because the best writers migrate to cable, where audiences expect serialization, or it might be that the episodic format squelches true creativity by imposing a too-restrictive formula.
 
I don't have a problem with people who don't like cop shows, but there's no reason to wish the demise of a whole network.There are some great episodes of CSI, Law & Order, etc. out there... and millions of people enjoy them.
 
Futurama has had a good run with the episodic format. But almost all the examples of really good TV I can think of are serialized. This might be because the best writers migrate to cable, where audiences expect serialization, or it might be that the episodic format squelches true creativity by imposing a too-restrictive formula.

I'd say it's the former. There were plenty of great TV writers in the '50s and '60s who favored anthologies and episodic series. But these days, serialization is popular so most of the best writers are doing serials.

And again, it's a huge mistake to define it as a matter of two non-overlapping opposites. Most episodic shows have some serialized arcs, and most serials have a somewhat episodic structure. Look at the show I just finished watching a few minutes ago, Fringe. It's very much driven by its overall saga, the continuing drama of the characters from week to week and the overarching cosmic conflict that's behind everything that happens, but it's still structured as a case-of-the-week series, where the individual cases investigated week by week are usually consequences of the larger problem. Or look at something like House, which is a traditional "client-based" format where each episode is driven by a different guest character and his or her problems, but those episodic plots serve to reflect on the main characters' ongoing development and often prompt decisions that affect the larger arc. Or Eureka or White Collar, where every episode focuses on a different problem to be solved, but there's the usual ongoing character development from week to week, and each broadcast season has an overall story arc that simmers underneath most of the season and comes to a head in the finale.

So most shows these days work on both an episodic level and a serial level. It's just a question of which side the balance tends toward. I can hardly think of any current shows that are purely episodic with no serialized elements. Most of the Law & Order shows came pretty close, but even they often had developing threads, like in L&O: Los Angeles where the death of the original lead cop and the transition of Alfred Molina's character from prosecutor to detective had ramifications that were followed up on in subsequent episodes. You just don't find anything today like, say, Mission: Impossible, where the team could pull a scam that involved exposing their faces on global television one week and yet still be totally anonymous the next week because every episode completely ignored what had come before. That could work in the era before home video and the Internet, but today audiences have a more big-picture view of the shows they watch, and so continuity is more obligatory. So pretty much all episodic shows have serial aspects.

And while there's a nonzero number of pure serials -- shows where all the storylines are running in parallel over multiple episodes, like Heroes or Lost -- I daresay the majority of serialized shows still take a semi-episodic, problem-of-the-week approach like Fringe or Battlestar Galactica, where each episode has its own self-contained sub-story that either runs alongside the ongoing arcs or serves as a component of them. Because that's a format that makes sense for weekly television, or really for any installment-driven format. It's good to have each installment be a complete thing of its own on at least one level, rather than just being a fragment with no resolution.

So talking about this as if there were some sort of sharp divide between episodic and serial shows -- it's a fantasy. It's got nothing to do with how television storytelling actually works today. Virtually all shows blend episodic and serial aspects; they just differ in the balance. And that's why it's absurd to say that serial storytelling is better than episodic storytelling. That's like saying that flour is better than butter, or that violins are better than trumpets. They're both ingredients in a recipe, and there are a lot of different ways to combine them.
 
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