America's Attack on the Lemonade Stand

[Amaris]

The federal government lost rights to that land when the state it was on seceded...duh...

Ah, so the CSA was within its legal rights to simply snatch land away from the Union government? Sounds like larceny to me.

the land was the states, not the feds...

Then you won't care if I take your front porch. You'll have to get your stuff off. It's mine now.

 

[CorporalClegg]

the land was the states, not the feds...

Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[Marc]

No, the south wanted to leave with their own states, not steal northern states, so not a valid comparison at all, and I live with my dad, in his house...not an apartment...

I was talking about RoMax's kitchen not yours. I would never move to the South.

just watch out - one day the south will rise again and it will come to you.

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

The federal government lost rights to that land when the state it was on seceded...duh...

Ah, so the CSA was within its legal rights to simply snatch land away from the Union government? Sounds like larceny to me.

the land was the states, not the feds...

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

 

[Ninjacore]

Ah, so the CSA was within its legal rights to simply snatch land away from the Union government? Sounds like larceny to me.

the land was the states, not the feds...

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Ah, so the CSA was within its legal rights to simply snatch land away from the Union government? Sounds like larceny to me.

the land was the states, not the feds...

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

Yeah, no shit. Military installations belong to the federal government, period. That's not even an issue up for debate and never has been, as far as I know. But I guess the CSA just decided by fiat that the land was theirs? Right.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

the land was the states, not the feds...

You keep talking about "the states" as if that's a magic word. What makes a state government more legitmate than a national government?

You can't answer that, because all of that teaching that you got from your "ancestors" clearly omitted any actual, you know, teaching. You're just repeating what you've been told without ever having asked a thoughtful question in response.

 

[Awesome Possum]

the land was the states, not the feds...

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

So if Canada took over, then the land you personally own no longer belongs to you? Property rights only exist while certain governments are in charge, if we use your logic.

 

[Ninjacore]

the land was the states, not the feds...

You keep talking about "the states" as if that's a magic word. What makes a state government more legitmate than a national government?

You can't answer that, because all of that teaching that you got from your "ancestors" clearly omitted any actual, you know, teaching. You're just repeating what you've been told without ever having asked a thoughtful question in response.

The federal government exists to act as a single entity in case of outside invasion, say canada or mexico invaded...and to serve minimal government needs not the bloated beast it is now...the federal government does not exist to control and corral independent states like property.

 

[Ninjacore]

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

So if Canada took over, then the land you personally own no longer belongs to you? Property rights only exist while certain governments are in charge, if we use your logic.

Yeah, property rights are fluid, they change with main ownership.

 

[Canadave]

the land was the states, not the feds...

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

Right, but what makes the "states" somehow a more legitimate entity than the federal government? By any regard, the CSA was a rogue state, as the United States declared their succession illegal, and no foreign government recognized them. By any standard of international law, Fort Sumter was American territory.

 

[{ Emilia }]

the land was the states, not the feds...

You keep talking about "the states" as if that's a magic word. What makes a state government more legitmate than a national government?

You can't answer that, because all of that teaching that you got from your "ancestors" clearly omitted any actual, you know, teaching. You're just repeating what you've been told without ever having asked a thoughtful question in response.

The federal government exists to act as a single entity in case of outside invasion, say canada or mexico invaded...and to serve minimal government needs not the bloated beast it is now...the federal government does not exist to control and corral independent states like property.

Guess why it's called United States of America and not Independent States of America.

 

[Ninjacore]

The land that the fort sat on was Federal property. That's pretty much like saying a National Park belongs to the state it's in and not the Federal government.

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

Right, but what makes the "states" somehow a more legitimate entity than the federal government? By any regard, the CSA was a rogue state, as the United States declared their succession illegal, and no foreign government recognized them. By any standard of international law, Fort Sumter was American territory.

International governments opinions do not matter, they had full legal rights to secede, Lincoln broke the law in claiming it was not legal.

 

[Ninjacore]

You keep talking about "the states" as if that's a magic word. What makes a state government more legitmate than a national government?

You can't answer that, because all of that teaching that you got from your "ancestors" clearly omitted any actual, you know, teaching. You're just repeating what you've been told without ever having asked a thoughtful question in response.

The federal government exists to act as a single entity in case of outside invasion, say canada or mexico invaded...and to serve minimal government needs not the bloated beast it is now...the federal government does not exist to control and corral independent states like property.

Guess why it's called United States of America and not Independent States of America.

the states were once semi free entities, now they are slaves to the feds...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The federal government exists to act as a single entity in case of outside invasion, say canada or mexico invaded...and to serve minimal government needs not the bloated beast it is now...the federal government does not exist to control and corral independent states like property.

According to who, your grandfather? That's certainly not the law and never has been.

You don't have correct answers to any of my other questions either. You've been ill-taught.

 

[Amaris]

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

So if Canada took over, then the land you personally own no longer belongs to you? Property rights only exist while certain governments are in charge, if we use your logic.

Yeah, property rights are fluid, they change with main ownership.

Get out of my house.

 

[Ninjacore]

The federal government exists to act as a single entity in case of outside invasion, say canada or mexico invaded...and to serve minimal government needs not the bloated beast it is now...the federal government does not exist to control and corral independent states like property.

According to who, your grandfather? That's certainly not the law and never has been.

You don't have correct answers to any of my other questions either.

Incorrect, You've been misaught to protect the federal government from its illegal actions...

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

Right, but what makes the "states" somehow a more legitimate entity than the federal government? By any regard, the CSA was a rogue state, as the United States declared their succession illegal, and no foreign government recognized them. By any standard of international law, Fort Sumter was American territory.

International governments opinions do not matter, they had full legal rights to secede, Lincoln broke the law in claiming it was not legal.

Of course it matters. That's how a country cements their legitimacy in the international stage, by having other countries recognize them. No country recognized the Confederacy, so it was indeed a rogue state. And subsequent rulings by the Supreme Court have ruled that secession is unconstitutional.

 

[Canadave]

If the state seceded then yes it would be the states again...

Right, but what makes the "states" somehow a more legitimate entity than the federal government? By any regard, the CSA was a rogue state, as the United States declared their succession illegal, and no foreign government recognized them. By any standard of international law, Fort Sumter was American territory.

International governments opinions do not matter, they had full legal rights to secede, Lincoln broke the law in claiming it was not legal.

Don't they? In the modern world, it is the international community that determines the legitimacy of a new state.

 

[Ninjacore]

So if Canada took over, then the land you personally own no longer belongs to you? Property rights only exist while certain governments are in charge, if we use your logic.

Yeah, property rights are fluid, they change with main ownership.

Get out of my house.

Try it, you like buckshot or slugs...