I'm sorry, but I have a hard time responding seriously to a response like "Sorry you're wrong
" in regards to a detailed post.
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" in regards to a detailed post.What would be a win-win scenario then?
How could China still manage to look after itself, improve its economy etc and you can keep your better paid job?
Kia (I know, they are Korean) subsidizes their auto industry. They are socialists. They fund the subsidies through taxation and tariffs. There are also socialists in America who want us to subsidize our auto industry, funded through taxation and tariffs, but Joe the Plumber says the word socialism and wrinkles his faces in disgust. We don't want Joe the Plumber to think we are wimps. Joe the Plumber is the one who has the most influence because he's a real American. I don't get it, but that's how it works.
Yes, our products are unaffordable. That's why we were the world's export champion each year from 2003 to 2008 and lost out in 2009 only to China.
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time responding seriously to a response like "Sorry you're wrong
Well, the post was detailed, yes, but detailed with faulty premise after faulty premise. I don't know how one could even begin to respond to it.
Yes, our products are unaffordable. That's why we were the world's export champion each year from 2003 to 2008 and lost out in 2009 only to China.
Maybe we should offer to rebuild China like we did for Germany via The Marshall Plan.
As for Chinese-manufactured toys (the initial start of this thread), Hubby and I won't buy toys made in China, or if we see the paint was from China. We don't have kids, but we'd like to try to not kill the children of our friends with lead, lead-based paint, and other toxins the Chinese see fit to use. We've been sticking with US, European, or other counry that enforces quality and safety on their goods.
As for improving conditions in China, I'd rather improve some conditions here first. Besides, they're setting themselves up for an internal problem with waaay to many males being born and waaay to few females. Those young single Chinese males are gonna be pissed if they can't get laid. Millions of young men whose government may decide "We can't feed them, can't find them jobs, can't get them laid, so . . . we can let them kill each other or kill others. And we'll still have millions to spare." Sadly, given history in general (not just Chinese history), I could see a government figuring that as a way to get rid of excess population.
As for improving conditions in China, I'd rather improve some conditions here first. Besides, they're setting themselves up for an internal problem with waaay to many males being born and waaay to few females. Those young single Chinese males are gonna be pissed if they can't get laid. Millions of young men whose government may decide "We can't feed them, can't find them jobs, can't get them laid, so . . . we can let them kill each other or kill others. And we'll still have millions to spare." Sadly, given history in general (not just Chinese history), I could see a government figuring that as a way to get rid of excess population.
The only faulty premise here is yours. I'll put my substantial education in colonialism, economics, and labor history up against anything your -- what, college core curriculum? -- education has to offer.
But, let's start simple. How much should Americans be willing to give up in order to outsource production to China and other countries?
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time responding seriously to a response like "Sorry you're wrong
Well, the post was detailed, yes, but detailed with faulty premise after faulty premise. I don't know how one could even begin to respond to it.
Detailed responses to the faulty premises are welcome. Responses that equal "Yes they do!" or "No they don't" will convince only those who already agree with you.
As a Canadian, about the only things I've ever seen made in the UK are things you can only buy at Marks and Spencer (which we haven't even had in my town for about a decade).
As a Canadian, about the only things I've ever seen made in the UK are things you can only buy at Marks and Spencer (which we haven't even had in my town for about a decade).
Even rarer, those things labelled "Product of Northern Ireland".
Dude my Sentra is made in Mexico. Hell, all Sentras are made in Mexico. I've never had any problems with my foreign products. The American stuff i have is crap, but it's more expensive than the foreign crap i have.
This.Dude my Sentra is made in Mexico. Hell, all Sentras are made in Mexico. I've never had any problems with my foreign products. The American stuff i have is crap, but it's more expensive than the foreign crap i have.
When American stop producing shit, I'll buy American.
This.Dude my Sentra is made in Mexico. Hell, all Sentras are made in Mexico. I've never had any problems with my foreign products. The American stuff i have is crap, but it's more expensive than the foreign crap i have.
When American stop producing shit, I'll buy American.
Haven't paid much attention to Ford lately, have you? I swore off Ford after that turd 1997 V6 pickup I owned; however, I would reconsider a Ford today.
Ford beats Toyota in quality rankings
Ford Tops Quality Survey
Ford does have its shit together, but i'd never buy another Ford product. I'll stick with my Nissans. We used to have a piece of crap Ford truck back in the day and that soured me on buying Fords again, even if they do have their shit together.
I was impressed with the quality of my Sentra, and when that girl dies on me, i'll get another Nissan.
I was impressed with the quality of my Sentra, and when that girl dies on me, i'll get another Nissan.
Actually, the exporting of jobs outside the US (especially by the large US companies) is, IMO, becoming a serious problem.
I work for IBM, and I can tell you that as more and more Americans are being laid off from IBM (about 35,000+ during this recession so far), more and more jobs are shifting to India.
And some of you guys with computer science backgrounds? This means YOUR jobs.
The jobs IBM has exported in recent years are not blue-collar factory jobs - those are already long gone. Now, the trend is to lay off American professionals (computer science, engineering, accounting, and other professional positions as well as things like helpdesk) and replace them with Indian workers who will work for a third of the wages.
If other large companies are doing the same (and you can bet they are), we are in for a serious problem in this country. Either the young kids coming out of school will not be able to get jobs (or end up going to work for peanuts, just to find employment that doesn't involve wearing a polyester uniform) or they will lay off workers in their 50's...thus creating a strain on the system from people being forced to retire before they are prepared to do so.
Either way, it's not a good prospect.
So....just keep on cheering for the Chinese, the Indians and others who are willing to work for nothing. Because in short order, they will be doing YOUR job, while you are standing on a very LONG unemployment queue.
I work for IBM, and I can tell you that as more and more Americans are being laid off from IBM (about 35,000+ during this recession so far), more and more jobs are shifting to India.
And some of you guys with computer science backgrounds? This means YOUR jobs.
The jobs IBM has exported in recent years are not blue-collar factory jobs - those are already long gone. Now, the trend is to lay off American professionals (computer science, engineering, accounting, and other professional positions as well as things like helpdesk) and replace them with Indian workers who will work for a third of the wages.
If other large companies are doing the same (and you can bet they are), we are in for a serious problem in this country. Either the young kids coming out of school will not be able to get jobs (or end up going to work for peanuts, just to find employment that doesn't involve wearing a polyester uniform) or they will lay off workers in their 50's...thus creating a strain on the system from people being forced to retire before they are prepared to do so.
Either way, it's not a good prospect.
So....just keep on cheering for the Chinese, the Indians and others who are willing to work for nothing. Because in short order, they will be doing YOUR job, while you are standing on a very LONG unemployment queue.
Could those in the West get by on the wages that Indians and Chinese get by on? If wages were lowered artificially by the government, wouldn't prices have to fall to match and we'd win our jobs back? 
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I can't see companies lowing the cost of their items.Could those in the West get by on the wages that Indians and Chinese get by on? If wages were lowered artificially by the government, wouldn't prices have to fall to match and we'd win our jobs back?
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