Am I wrong to like the Maquis

[The Old Mixer]

Note to moderators: If that counts as an infraction, I apologize. Warn me or not as you see fit. But I'm done with this thread, either way.

I think it's a fair critique of the post content.

This is a good time to bring up that the whole "glassing" angle has me on Yellow Alert anyway. It's possible to have an intelligent discussion of the morality of the Maquis without bringing the hypothetical genocide of the Cardassians out of left field.

 

[Amaris]

The Maquis can evoke sympathy, depending upon how you see the morality of their cause. There's enough nuance in their behavior, and in the details of their cause, that can bring us to sympathize with their ideas, and with their actions. So that's not necessarily wrong. This, however:

The cardassians kill them and oppress them, the federation turns their back on them for the sake of peace-yes peace with an aggressive and duplicitous empire that quite frankly needed to be dismantled maybe they could give the cardassian dissident movement a city on some remote planet after they glassed Cardassia(what I think should have happened).

Is advocating genocide. That would most certainly be wrong.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I'm not sure I should start another thread or not. Does anyone think the Maquis would have been pardoned or if they should have been? I don't recall anything said about it on DS9. I'm in the process of trying to rewatch ones I've only seen once years ago. And I know nothing was said about it for Voyager.

I sympathize with the Maquis cause, but they were considered criminals by the government. They committed acts that might have been considered terrorism.

 

[Paradise City]

I thought the Maquis and Eddington and their position was an understandable one with some good arguments in their favour. I don't think Eddington was a cynic or anything and I rather like him but it came to a point that his revulsion towards the Federation outran his desire to liberate his people and this helped destroy both him and the people he presumed to be liberating. I congratulate the writers for introducing this character.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

I don't think the pedals work in that direction.

 

[The Old Mixer]

This is has been an interesting discussion

may I ask woud you serve under Eddington?

By the way I'm bowing out-have fun

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[Makarov]

I think the federation went too far with just handing over worlds to the Cardassians, when they were basically already trying to draw the federation into a war - like in chain of command. Kind of brings to mind Picard's drawing the line on the borg. Also from what we hear from Obrien's stories of the Cardassian attacks, I don't see full blown conflict being limited to their militaries, so Cardassia could end up a battleground as well if they did get into a war.

I like the Maquis and find them interesting, although it doesn't seem to be something they were interested in exploring much in Voyager.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Also from what we hear from Obrien's stories of the Cardassian attacks, I don't see full blown conflict being limited to their militaries, so Cardassia could end up a battleground as well if they did get into a war.

Also remember O'Brien's former commanding officer (was his name Maxwell?), thought the Cardassians were up to no good. And he took matters into his own hands trying to prove it. And then didn't Picard let the Cardassian commander know he suspected they were doing something as well.

 

[JesterFace]

Maquis had to move... no reason to start killing people.

 

[USS Firefly]

But If you don't want to leave you're house and place you and or your family build?
Do you have the right to defend yourself?

 

[The Old Mixer]

An advisory for new readers...the original poster edited out the most controversial part of his OP, and deleted all of his other replies, so things aren't going to read terribly sensibly.

 

[Paradise City]

But If you don't want to leave you're house and place you and or your family build?
Do you have the right to defend yourself?

You do. But if it's a lost cause from the get-go, no you don't. You need to bed in a concise and realistic strategy to achieve end-goals including diplomatic strategies. But it seems to me unlikely the Cardassians would've ever consented to a "Maquis state" in any shape or form. Slightly more realistically is to embroil the Cardassians in a quagmire so as to eventually win border concessions. Which with the Klingon invasion totally breaking their morale (as per Dukat's report) seemed quite possible. But then as Maquis fortunes soared, suddenly their luck fell through the floor as the Cardassians hooked up with the Dominion in a surprise move. Eddington also had some strange ideas about the Feds maybe giving them the "blind eye". You'd think as a seasoned security officer he'd know better than that.

 

[Ensign]

I hated the Maquis crew in Voyager. They wrote them completey wrong. I remeber Chakotay diciplining a member of his Maquis crew, telling that they can do it the easy way or the Maquis way and then he punches them or something and then says thats the Maquis way. I mean, what the hell.
Apart from incidents like that, in Voyager, they mainly just forget that they're Maquis altogether.
Annoying.

But yeah, the Maquis should have been a likeable and sympathetic group and, in principle, I side with them against the Cardassians and the Federation. But, unfortunately, in the show, they're an overwhelmingly unlikeable group which, more often than not, I would rather forget exist.

Disclaimer: I have yet to see them appear in TNG so, I cant judge them on that basis.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought the Maquis and Eddington and their position was an understandable one with some good arguments in their favour. I don't think Eddington was a cynic or anything and I rather like him but it came to a point that his revulsion towards the Federation outran his desire to liberate his people and this helped destroy both him and the people he presumed to be liberating. I congratulate the writers for introducing this character.

Eddington was following a Script, there's no way that every thing in that episodes was not a cunning ruse.

Mikey was trying to find the best way to surrender to Sisko where it still looked like he had his balls.

 

[suarezguy]

I'm not sure I should start another thread or not. Does anyone think the Maquis would have been pardoned or if they should have been?

It may not be practical but it would be best to do so on an individual basis. I hope and actually think Ro wouldn't have been indifferent to civilian casualties or participated in atrocities and the Voyager members redeemed themselves for whatever misdeeds they committed (which seemed to be pretty minor, Chakotay already opposing some other Maquis he think went too far) but others would have had more that would be harder to pardon.

I sympathize with the Maquis cause, but they were considered criminals by the government. They committed acts that might have been considered terrorism.

I think some definitely were, IIRC they blew up a civilian Cardassian ship in their first apperaance.

 

[Paradise City]

The was idea was the Bok'Nor was involved in the carrying arms and was therefore a legit target.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But If you don't want to leave you're house and place you and or your family build?
Do you have the right to defend yourself?

You could always do something slightly more realistic, like MOVE.

I mean, in a universe where there is a near-infinite amount of living space, AND convenient interstellar travel, the concept of "what is my home?" sort of loses its meaning.

 

[Makarov]

You could always do something slightly more realistic, like MOVE.

I mean, in a universe where there is a near-infinite amount of living space, AND convenient interstellar travel, the concept of "what is my home?" sort of loses its meaning.

Practically I agree, but I think this is against the message Star Trek tries to send on multiple occasions, like Insurrection and that Wesley episode where they're relocating people. And not just those episodes but Picard's stance on culture and stuff which is damaged by relocation. I think Picard would join the Maquis the second they suggest signing away his family's vineyard or earth in a treaty.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

that Wesley episode where they're relocating people.

Ah yes, the episode where we learn that it was the Maquis' idea to live under Cardassian rule in the first place! Well played!

srsly, that doesn't justify the Cardies' later treatment of the colonists, of course, but it puts paid to the theory that the Federation handed them all over without consulting them.

And even so: Treaties like the one the Federation signed with Cardassia are of paramount importance. Without that treaty, there would be war with Cardassia. The principle of "the greatest good for the greatest number" would definitely apply here, IMHO.

 

[Nyotarules]

But If you don't want to leave you're house and place you and or your family build?
Do you have the right to defend yourself?

If you are not indigneous to the area does one have an automatic right to live there?