I don't like the departure from the neck-attachment, or the unnecessarily pointed look of it. It would have been great as a starship on its own, but as an Enterprise, which had historically been ships of exploration, making it a ship specifically made to fight the Borg doesn't make sense. The worst part, I think, is that because of vehicle lineage "rules" future Enterprises will likely have to conform to this shape; for instance, the Star Trek Online Enterprise F, which is a dead ringer for a Sovereign class.
Am I the only one who dislikes the Enterprise-E?
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There are two things about the Enterprise-E that I don't like; the single level bridge, and the fact that it even exists. There was no reason whatsoever to get rid of the D. They just did it so the TNG movies would have their own special ship, like the TOS movies had the Refit/A. Add that cramped-feeling single level bridge, and I'm not a fan.
There no on screen indication of this, it's armaments don't seem to be any more than what you would expect from basically a scaled up Voyager, with the exception of possessing the newest generation of torpedoes (quantum) in it's magazines. And for all we know any Starfleet vessel with standard photon torpedo tubes could fire them too.
There are few things about the design I would change, the impulse engines appear to be pointing "up," the escape pods locations are too prominate, and I would have used a much softer grey for the hull coloring.
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I think it looks cool, inside and out. Add the floating holographic monitors from the Countdown comic and it's even more awesome.
Surely the "future" thing is moot now Trek's been rebooted? New designs will be based on the new movie Enterprise.
Surely the "future" thing is moot now Trek's been rebooted? New designs will be based on the new movie Enterprise.
Says it all right there.
Defiant class was designed to fight the Borg, not Sovereign class.
There is no such thing. Future films/tv shows, if there are any in that continuity, will look for something that looks cool within their budget, as they always have. In universe, designs will be proposed and accepted on their design merits, not how much they look like previous ship classes.
Personally, I like the sleeker look better than the ponderous Ent. D, though I wouldn't have minded if the ship had been a little lighter. But no, you're certainly not the only one who didn't like it.
I would agree that there is such a thing as "...too cool and too sleek..." When it comes to the Enterprise. There is a visual proportion that is very difficult to quantify, but two examples, IMO, of "not" are Enterprise E and, as I call it, The Duck-Billed Enterprise, Enterprise B.
Sorry, three examples:
Sorry, three examples:
The 14 year old me on seeing First Contact for the first time loved it and much preferred it to the D (which I wasn't a fan of).
However, as an adult, I have grown to think of it as over-designed and over-aggresive in appearance as a Starfleet vessel. I have also come to appreciate the D more with age too.
However, as an adult, I have grown to think of it as over-designed and over-aggresive in appearance as a Starfleet vessel. I have also come to appreciate the D more with age too.
My understanding is that the 1701D sets were built for low-definition TV presentation and had also seen years worth of wear and tear. They apparently looked terrible on the film used for movies, which is why the sets were shown so darkly lit on screen. So they crashed her. I suppose they could have just built new interior sets for the movie and let the D's exterior remain a Galaxy class ship, too, but they went with the opportunity of using an entire new ship for the movies that followed.
I REALLY did not like the Enterprise D when I first saw it. The proportions were so different from the original 1701.... the nacelles looked stunted and the primary hull looked bloated to me. I did, over time, get a better appreciation of the ship and I do like it now (not as much as the original, though.... and I will admit that childhood nostalgia is a powerful factor). I guess I am fairly neutral towards the E. I may have to go along with Scotty's sentiments as expressed to Picard on the holodeck.
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I always felt that "D" looked distorted, and found "E" to be a step back towards what I considered the classic shape.
In principle the E-F could always be designed to have a "retro" look.
Like it had been over-inflated and then crashed into a wall ?
I never cared much for the D or E. The D looked completely out of proportion and the design of he E was too busy and angular. No grace to it. That said, I'd take D over E any day.
As far as I'm concerned, the original and A were tough designs to top. I was surprised and happy that the Abrams Enterprise turned out to look as nice as it did.
I think there are certain proportions and conditions that have to be adhered to in the basic design, or the look goes awry in a hurry. Not a lot of wiggle room.
As far as I'm concerned, the original and A were tough designs to top. I was surprised and happy that the Abrams Enterprise turned out to look as nice as it did.
I think there are certain proportions and conditions that have to be adhered to in the basic design, or the look goes awry in a hurry. Not a lot of wiggle room.
I like the E-E as a starship designed by ASDB (Advanced Starship Design Bureau) as part of the line designed to fight the Borg, as well as serve as an exploratory vessel.
That's the nature of the E-E. It's primary purpose was to be an exploration ship, but it was designed with capabilities to fight the Borg as well, whereas ships like the Akira, Defiant, Jager, Steamrunner, and a couple of other classes were designed by ASDB more toward the purposes of fighting the Borg.
Probably the only thing I don't like about the E-E on-screen is that, compared to the Excelsior and Constitution classes, the E-E looks more like a light up toy. (I do think Nemesis made the E-E look a bit better, except for its introductory shot.)
That's the nature of the E-E. It's primary purpose was to be an exploration ship, but it was designed with capabilities to fight the Borg as well, whereas ships like the Akira, Defiant, Jager, Steamrunner, and a couple of other classes were designed by ASDB more toward the purposes of fighting the Borg.
Probably the only thing I don't like about the E-E on-screen is that, compared to the Excelsior and Constitution classes, the E-E looks more like a light up toy. (I do think Nemesis made the E-E look a bit better, except for its introductory shot.)
I'd never really thought about it quite like that on a conscious level, but I think that might be partly why I object to it... it just doesn't look quite right to me. But I think the same of the JJprise too. I have to say I really don't like the Nacelles on either.
I think the reason the D has grown on me over the E is mostly due to nostalgia though. Wistful of a time when lots of Trek was being produced for TV, and part of my childhood.
Love the E! 
My favorite design, actually. The marvelous offspring of mating the TMP Enterprise with the Excelsior.
The lack of a connecting neck is fine with me as it always was, (ENT D excepted) flimsy looking imo compared to the rest of the ships mass. It also makes for more interior space on the scaled down design.
And the 'pointed'-ness, that's called streamlining which only helps its' over all appearance. It appears to be moving even when standing still.
Behold Her Glory!
My favorite design, actually. The marvelous offspring of mating the TMP Enterprise with the Excelsior.The lack of a connecting neck is fine with me as it always was, (ENT D excepted) flimsy looking imo compared to the rest of the ships mass. It also makes for more interior space on the scaled down design.
And the 'pointed'-ness, that's called streamlining which only helps its' over all appearance. It appears to be moving even when standing still.
Behold Her Glory!
When I first saw the 1701-E pictured at a convention my first thought was that it looked like somebody took design cues from EVERY Enterprise and smooshed them together. Now that I have seen it from every angle I still sort of feel that way. Certain parts I like, but over all it seems too desperate an attempt to look fast and sleek.
I might be a traditionalist, but I still prefer the saucer section to be an actual round saucer instead of stretched sideways as with the D or lengthwise as with the E. Starships are functional machines and the Sovereign looks more decorative with the engineering details sprinkled on later.
It has been said that a good design, be it automotive or otherwise, should look good in just one color with no added stripes or markings to 'help'. Most Trek ships do look good like that, the Sovereign needs that graphical assistance. It you have ever seen an unpainted model kit of this subject it just does not work well, especially from the top.
I might be a traditionalist, but I still prefer the saucer section to be an actual round saucer instead of stretched sideways as with the D or lengthwise as with the E. Starships are functional machines and the Sovereign looks more decorative with the engineering details sprinkled on later.
It has been said that a good design, be it automotive or otherwise, should look good in just one color with no added stripes or markings to 'help'. Most Trek ships do look good like that, the Sovereign needs that graphical assistance. It you have ever seen an unpainted model kit of this subject it just does not work well, especially from the top.
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