Alternative to Discovery

[fireproof78]

Ugly jump suits, Klingons, space ships... looks like Star Trek to me.

I'm with you on this one.

Plus an ugly starship

ETA: to be clear, DSC will always be Star Trek to me. Whether or not it fits in to the Prime timeline is something I'll judge when I see the finished product. Until then, I'll respect the production team's comments about the show that they have made.

Perhaps its naive or too trusting, but that's my attitude

 

[Ketrick]

I voted for Other. I would like either a Kelvin timeline TNG-like show or a 50-years Post-Nemesis series. The Kelvin series could be something like the adventures of Captain Julian Picard and the crew of the USS Enterprise-F which includes first officer Lore, Deanna Troi's older sister, Jennifer Riker, Garak, and a Romulan security officer. The 50-years Post-Nemesis series could feature the aftermath of detente with the Neo-Romulan Empire and the admission of Bajor and the Ferengi Alliance to the Federation. Either way, other than perhaps in a movie or miniseries, I believe Star Trek should move forward in both universes.

 

[-Brett-]

I'd just kill it. The fan reaction to Discovery proves beyond a doubt that the Star Trek brand is more trouble than it's worth. I'd take Star Trek's premise (Trek abandoned it, so it's up for grabs) and make a new IP out of it. One with alien aliens, more realistic newtonian physics, and less space magic.

 

[BillJ]

I'd just kill it. The fan reaction to Discovery proves beyond a doubt that the Star Trek brand is more trouble than it's worth. I'd take Star Trek's premise (Trek abandoned it, so it's up for grabs) and make a new IP out of it. One with alien aliens, more realistic newtonian physics, and less space magic.

This makes no sense.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

This makes no sense.

What part of crumpling up a 50-year multi-billion dollar franchise and throwing it in the trash because a handful of "hardcore fans" are pissed about a show they haven't seen yet doesn't make sense?

 

[fireproof78]

I'd just kill it. The fan reaction to Discovery proves beyond a doubt that the Star Trek brand is more trouble than it's worth. I'd take Star Trek's premise (Trek abandoned it, so it's up for grabs) and make a new IP out of it. One with alien aliens, more realistic newtonian physics, and less space magic.

 

[1001001]

But I like the Space Magic!

 

[BillJ]

But I like the Space Magic!

Same here. Loved Trelane and the Q and the Metrons and other elements that came off as magical.

 

[-Brett-]

What part of crumpling up a 50-year multi-billion dollar franchise...

It's not the 90s anymore. The last 20 of those 50 years have been nothing but one flop after another after another.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'd just kill it. The fan reaction to Discovery proves beyond a doubt that the Star Trek brand is more trouble than it's worth. I'd take Star Trek's premise (Trek abandoned it, so it's up for grabs) and make a new IP out of it. One with alien aliens, more realistic newtonian physics, and less space magic.

I wouldn't attach too much significance to "the fan reaction." If the last few decades have taught us anything, it's that pretty much any new genre project, especially if it's based on some beloved old property, is going to generate explosions of "nerd rage" on the internet, which, if the final product turns out to be good, don't have much of an impact in the end.

Remember people freaking out about the organic web-shooters in the first SPIDER-MAN movie? I remember any number of internet debates in which self-proclaimed SPIDER-MAN experts insisted that this meant the movie was "obviously" going to be a total flop because it failed to respect the original comics.

Uh-huh. We all remember what a commercial and critical flop that was, right?

And,more recently, WONDER WOMAN was obviously going to bomb because Gal Gadot didn't look "Amazonian" enough . . . .

Could be the same thing with DISCOVERY. If the show is good, nobody is going to care that it doesn't look enough like "The Cage."

At this point, if I was a Hollywood executive, I would just take a certain degree of "nerd rage" as inevitable and treat it as white noise.

 

[Kor]

...
And,more recently, WONDER WOMAN was obviously going to bomb because Gal Gadot didn't look "Amazonian" enough . . . .
...

Funny, I thought she had just the right kind of ancient Mediterranean look for the role.

But yes, unjustified fan outrage is to be expected these days.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

Funny, I thought she had just the right kind of ancient Mediterranean look for the role.

But yes, unjustified fan outrage is to be expected these days.

Kor

And now I'm outraged because of this

 

[Balok's Decoy]

It's not the 90s anymore. The last 20 of those 50 years have been nothing but one flop after another after another.

Nope.

 

[Arpy]

I'm excited for Discovery, but I voted 15 yrs after. I nearly went for 100 yrs after, but you really don't need to go that far ahead to dump a lot of the things that were dragging Trek down previously. I had less of a problem with the universe overall than the tired stories. I think the tech you could change considerably and remain consistent.

Or you could set the whole thing in another universe and pick and choose whatever you'd like to bring along. One request I'd make is not to use any actors from previous series for years, if ever. I think just the decree would be good for the writers to think different.

Frankly, though I wasn't against VOY in concept, I think you could have set that series on the other end of the Federation, rarely revisited any of the old baddies, came up with some amazing new concepts, and been good to go.

(VOY tangent: if I were to have set the ship that far from local space, it would have been much more out there. And less focused on Earth, which they'd never have seen again if it weren't a Trek show. They'd have set course for the Federation, but they'd have made the best of knowing they'd maybe never reach it. Which they kinda did, but not really.)

 

[Mage]

I'd just kill it. The fan reaction to Discovery proves beyond a doubt that the Star Trek brand is more trouble than it's worth. I'd take Star Trek's premise (Trek abandoned it, so it's up for grabs) and make a new IP out of it. One with alien aliens, more realistic newtonian physics, and less space magic.

I started a poll in the Discovery section of the forum, check it out. It would seem about 75% of fans are in some form positive about Discovery. Fan reaction isn't what you think it is. Just because some keyboard heroes are typing more and LOUDER than others, doesn't make them a majority.

 

[Push The Button]

Post-Voyager. New aliens, new ship designs, new tech. Something different.

I love TOS and TNG, but I really don't need any more, I'm happy with the existing body of work.

 

[Greg Cox]

I started a poll in the Discovery section of the forum, check it out. It would seem about 75% of fans are in some form positive about Discovery. Fan reaction isn't what you think it is. Just because some keyboard heroes are typing more and LOUDER than others, doesn't make them a majority.

Yep. I confess I roll my eyes whenever I read something like "Given the overwhelmingly negative reaction from the fans . . . "

Which usually translates to "fans like me."

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Yep. I confess I roll my eyes whenever I read something like "Given the overwhelmingly negative reaction from the fans . . . "

Which usually translates to "fans like me."

Yes. If all a reporter looks at before writing up their hot take is Facebook comments, they'll think The Fans (TM) are ready to revolt with pitchforks and torches. If you look at TrekBBS and Twitter, the reaction seems much more positive.

 

[Vger23]

Yep. I confess I roll my eyes whenever I read something like "Given the overwhelmingly negative reaction from the fans . . . "

Which usually translates to "fans like me."

But....but.....THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Paul Weaver]

But....but.....THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!

Are the ones keeping cool