Alternate ways Voyager could have gotten home.

[McCoy]

All Janeway had to do was agree to be Q's girlfriend if he sent Voyager home safely.

Yes I've said this same thing before. As guilty as she was feeling about stranding everyone in the DQ, you would think she'd be willing to make this little "sacrifice" for the good of her crew.

I mean if she was ready to kill herself just to help the ship out of that trap, why not prostitute herself to get everyone home. A smaller sacrifice for a larger gain.

 

[Sisko4Life]

hey, Picard would have did it...

 

[prometheuspan]

Whats wrong with hanging out planet side with a friendly culture and
just working on advancing warp theory?

Alternately but along similar lines, why not just build better, larger, faster warp engines using current warp theory?

If it was me, I'd have had the ship find a friendly planet and stick to it,
work on the problem, and, given assorted obvious other tech clues we have, in six months or a year they would have had a way home.

Not really great for the drama tho. Which is the real problem with any of these solutions. Why didn't janeway take Q up on his offer? Simple. The show would have ended that much earlier.

The warp 10 - episode... I'm sorry but i absolutely hate that episode and i refuse to think of it as anything other than somebodies dream or hallucination. There were so many logic and plot holes in that episode not to mention technology discontinuities that it ranks easily in the top ten worst
episodes of trek.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The warp 10 - episode... I'm sorry but i absolutely hate that episode and i refuse to think of it as anything other than somebodies dream or hallucination. There were so many logic and plot holes in that episode not to mention technology discontinuities that it ranks easily in the top ten worst
episodes of trek.

Everyone hates that episode, so you don't have to apologize.

 

[Timo]

Alternately but along similar lines, why not just build better, larger, faster warp engines using current warp theory?

Hey, it already stretched credibility that they could modify their existing engines all on their own. If it really were possible for 150 randomly picked Starfleet personnel to design and build their own starship, I'd think Starfleet would look much different from what we see...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[prometheuspan]

Everyone hates that episode, so you don't have to apologize.

oh. good.

Hey, it already stretched credibility that they could modify their existing engines all on their own. If it really were possible for 150 randomly picked Starfleet personnel to design and build their own starship, I'd think Starfleet would look much different from what we see...

Given that they did in fact do it, (modify) and several times, including borg technology upgrades and whatnot...

As well as the delta flier warp 10 episode, and etc, ....

Well, you know i mean we are dealing with science fiction so its all of it kind of moot and quacky, but the thing is
that if you take the sum total of what is revealed about what they are capable of from only a handful of shows, then
they should be able to competently work out and build a new engine system.

no, that doesn't make any sense from a systems theory perspective, but then neither does the idea of increasing
warp speed by adding borg warp coils, or etc etc etc.

Considering that other ideas include using interplanetary rubber bands, or relying upon finicky narcistic semi omnipotent aliens...

??

 

[Finn]

Personally, I think the first goal of the series should've been for Voyager to seek out the Barzan wormhole. It would've made sense considering A) they obviously knew what it was, and B) ended up coming across it anyway on their route to Earth. Why not just have them acknowledge that the Barzan wormhole was their first option home to begin with? I mean, to me, it would've been irresponsible not to seek out the Barzan wormhole. From a drama standpoint, it would've added a greater sense of realism to the show right from the get-go.

And imagine their dismay when, perhaps in a more serious version of "False Profits" (sans Ferengi), they find out, say, that the Barzan wormhole is completely unstable... and they now must commit to flying all the way back to Earth.

That would've been an incredibly dark, low point in the series.

Uh. no. It was estabilished in TNG's The Price that one end of the Barzan Wormhole jumps around. The first time a probe was sent though it, it ended up in the Gamma Quadrant.

So there was a remote chance that they would run into the Barzan Wormhole in the Delta Quadrant. Its likely the Barzan wormhole came up when someone looked up all references to the Delta Quadrant in their data base (including the Borg....) and determined that it would be waste of resources to search for it when it might be thousands of light years from their route home.

 

[Timo]

"False Profits" is a problematic episode in comparison with the original "The Price". The TNG episode established that the far end of the wormhole jumps around, supposedly unpredictably. The VOY episode reveals that there is predictability to the jumps after all, until the Ferengi ruin it all. However, the TNG episode strands the two Ferengi at a location in the Delta Quadrant that is only 200 lightyears from the previous location that was in the Gamma Quadrant. This means that the Ferengi should be practically at the Gamma/Delta border, and this border should by all accounts be rather far away from the route that the Voyager took home.

Something about the assumptions must be wrong, then. Perhaps Data miscalculated the location of the Delta end. Or perhaps the Ferengi managed to re-enter the wormhole on the next cycle, but it spat them out at a different Delta location, the one where our VOY heroes found them. In any case, this sort of uncertainly does not increase the allure of the Barzan wormhole as a means of transportation...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Gepard]

^Or maybe the writers frakked up.

Just a wild guess.

 

[Timo]

Writers? What species is that? From which episode?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DonIago]

The one where Torres crash-lands on that planet and serves as a Muse for that one alien, of course.

 

[steveman]

"False Profits" is a problematic episode in comparison with the original "The Price". The TNG episode established that the far end of the wormhole jumps around, supposedly unpredictably. The VOY episode reveals that there is predictability to the jumps after all, until the Ferengi ruin it all.

See, this is where I was coming from. I knew that the wormhole was unstable... but I was under the impression that it wasn't totally unusable because they could predict the jumps.

Writing decrepency or not between the two episodes, if the Voyager crew knew this information as they began plotting their journey home -- knew about the Barzan wormhole, about the location of its DQ end, about predicting the jumps (and it's not unreasonable to assume that they would have this information in their data banks) -- I guess I don't see why plotting a course toward where it should be at would be such a bad thing. If you have this information, it's at least worth a try, right?

At any rate, though, the descrepencies between the two episodes and the varying rules established about the Barzan wormhole make it hard to definitively argue anything at all.

 

[Timewalker]

What about the micro wormhole that led to Romulan space that was 20ish? years in the past; they could all have beamed through, gone into Federation space in secret and gone into stasis until after they left, leaving Voyager on self destruct back in the Delta Quadrant.

Considering that in nearly every case Starfleet has come across of people in stasis the sleepers have overslept by a few years to several thousand years, stasis wouldn't be my first choice. But it would make a heck of a good fanfic.

Ok, build a giant rubber band, about... 3 AU across. Then, wrap it between a couple of planets, stick Voyager into it, have it reverse impulse, then cut impulse thrust, and WHAM! They'll be back in the Alpha Quadrant before you can say "ACME Corporation".

And then they either smack into a cliff that they never noticed before, or else get run over by a train, or get pelted by asteroids while trying to shield themselves with tiny little umbrellas... and somewhere in the cosmos they hear a smug "Beep, beep!"

All Janeway had to do was agree to be Q's girlfriend if he sent Voyager home safely.

Yes I've said this same thing before. As guilty as she was feeling about stranding everyone in the DQ, you would think she'd be willing to make this little "sacrifice" for the good of her crew.

I mean if she was ready to kill herself just to help the ship out of that trap, why not prostitute herself to get everyone home. A smaller sacrifice for a larger gain.

hey, Picard would have did it...

With Q?

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

hey, Picard would have did it...

With Q?

Yes.

 

[Tom]

IMO they should have tried to steal more transwarp coils from the borg. In Unimatrix Zero there were was the liberated Sphere and mention of a few other liberated cubes uniting with the sphere that probably could have given Voyager one (or more) of there transwarp coils since supposably the Borg ships have more than one and also know how to build them.

 

[Tam]

IMO they should have tried to steal more transwarp coils from the borg. In Unimatrix Zero there were was the liberated Sphere and mention of a few other liberated cubes uniting with the sphere that probably could have given Voyager one (or more) of there transwarp coils since supposably the Borg ships have more than one and also know how to build them.

They could probably have gotten one of the liberated ships to tow them to the alpha quadrant via transwarp conduits with a tractor beam, to save the bother of installing transwarp devices on voyager.

 

[Tom]

^^ that too.. jeesh you should have been in command of voyager rather than Janeway! LOL