Alternate ways Voyager could have gotten home.

[Gepard]

Inspired by this comment here from this rather brilliant thread, I thought it might be interesting to put on our thinking caps and compile a list of alternate ways Voyager could have gotten home (for better or worse).

• Put the tricobalt charges on a timer in Caretaker, use the array to send the ship home, and let the charges blow the array up.
• Same scinario, but If the Kazon could deactivate the charges, have Janeway stay behind in a shuttle, a la "Night", and detonate the charges manually.
• Use the warp 10 tech developed in Threshold, fly home, and have the Doctor de-salamander everyone after they get back.
• Use the sun slingshot maneuver to travel back in time to just before they arrived in the Delta Quadrant and disrupt the Caretaker's array so they never get pulled across the galaxy in the first place.
• Use the same time travel method, but arrive just before they need to blow up the array, send their past selves home and blow up the array themselves. [Only works if you don't think about what becomes of the Voyager from the future... ]

 

[Timo]

* On the first issue, the problem was that none of the Starfleet heroes would have been able to operate the array. Tuvok thought that it would take a couple of hours to get the knack of it, and they didn't have those two hours if their goal was to prevent the Kazon from grabbing the array.

So the timer trick wouldn't have helped: sure, they could have hidden the explosives so well that the array would have been destroyed even after the Kazon had gained control of it, but the big problem was that Kazon reinforcements would have driven the heroes off the array long before Tuvok got it working.

* For the same reason, leaving behind somebody to do the dirty work would not have helped any.

* The warp 10 trick should have worked, assuming they could steer. Odds are, they couldn't.

* Traveling back in time by slingshot doesn't result in travel through space. So the Voyager would still be stuck in Delta, helplessly waiting for her other self to arrive through the array.

* The last option should work just fine, I guess. I mean, with two Voyagers, they would be able to fight back the Kazon reinforcements long enough to get the array working.

And after that, I'd think they could send back both ships. Although which Janeway would get to marry her Mark would remain a bit of a problem...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Gepard]

* Traveling back in time by slingshot doesn't result in travel through space. So the Voyager would still be stuck in Delta, helplessly waiting for her other self to arrive through the array.

Right. I wasn't suggesting they travel through space. They're still in the Delta Quadrant, near the array (I'm assuming they cooked this plan up very shortly after being pulled into the DQ, so they're still near where the array was); they go back in time to before the Array pulled them into the DQ, and, while they are still in the DQ, blow the array up before it has a chance to grab the Maquis or Voayger. Technically, that would kill the Caretaker too, I guess, but being from the future they know he'll be dead shortly anyway, and will have failed to find a compatible species, so...

 

[Frodo Lives]

The last one works fine, if you actually send the "future" version of Voyager back, then the "present" version can just do there sling-shot back in time, and voila - they're the future version and get to go home anyhow.

 

[JNG]

The last one works fine, if you actually send the "future" version of Voyager back, then the "present" version can just do there sling-shot back in time, and voila - they're the future version and get to go home anyhow.

I guess the space-time continuum could take another one for the team

 

[Meredith]

How about putting the ship in "stealth" mode and rotating the crew in and out of stasis with only 10% crew active at one time. Only a seven year trip from every crew member's perspective.

 

[Bacl]

They discussed the possibility of preventing the Voyager mission through time travel, and Janeway felt that they had too positive a role in the Delta Quadrant to warrant such a solution.

I always felt this was nonsense for many reasons, the first of which being the Prime Directive. Interfering with the Kazon and the Okampa was a direct violation to begin with (as was most of what Voyager did) and if Janeway could prevent their incursion into the Delta Quadrant then she should have.

Doing so also would have saved the lives of all the officers that died when Voyager was sucked to the Delta Quadrant.

A really clever Janeway () could have used her data on the Equinox, Chakotay's ship, and the Voyager mission to prevent all three from being sucked into the Delta Quad. She'd have saved the lives of all the dead officers, and prevented the endless harm Voyager and Equinox did in the Delta Quadrant (especially Equinox, my God).

 

[Borg451]

Inspired by this comment here from this rather brilliant thread, I thought it might be interesting to put on our thinking caps and compile a list of alternate ways Voyager could have gotten home (for better or worse).

• Put the tricobalt charges on a timer in Caretaker, use the array to send the ship home, and let the charges blow the array up.
• Same scinario, but If the Kazon could deactivate the charges, have Janeway stay behind in a shuttle, a la "Night", and detonate the charges manually.
• Use the warp 10 tech developed in Threshold, fly home, and have the Doctor de-salamander everyone after they get back.
• Use the sun slingshot maneuver to travel back in time to just before they arrived in the Delta Quadrant and disrupt the Caretaker's array so they never get pulled across the galaxy in the first place.
• Use the same time travel method, but arrive just before they need to blow up the array, send their past selves home and blow up the array themselves. [Only works if you don't think about what becomes of the Voyager from the future... ]

No No...

have it last 75 years.. maybe not even get back in the end..

i iddnt like the fact that as soon as Caretaker was over they 'knew' they would get back...

i mean Seska's line in 'State of Flux' about 'when we get home you can ask the cardassian woman' is a prime example..

it should always be the thought looming overhead that they would NEVER get home... or atleast not in their lifetime for some of the crewmembers with shorter lives..

so spread the story telling out over 75years.. use some clever methods of story telling... like other shows..

might have been less shit..

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I always felt this was nonsense for many reasons, the first of which being the Prime Directive. Interfering with the Kazon and the Okampa was a direct violation to begin with (as was most of what Voyager did) and if Janeway could prevent their incursion into the Delta Quadrant then she should have.

I've always felt that the Prime Directive had no bearing on the Ocampa situation. I mean, the Ocampa had been driven underground not by natural disaster but by the actions of an advanced alien species, who then cared for them like a parent with a physically disabled child. And the surface of Ocampa was being occupied by a space-faring race. Any of that sound much like 'natural development' to you? By destroying the Array, Janeway prevented the balance of power in several sectors from being offset by the Kazon taking control of technology far beyond what they had.

 

[DrTaylor]

I can't believe no one's said this:

Suspiria!

Seriously, what could have been more perfect in a cliched sort of way, and since Voyager was all about cliches, who freaking cares about one more! Let's just bring Suspiria in to bring them home and be done with it.

I always felt that maybe she should have been popping up throughout instead of being stuck in lame@$$ "Cold Fire" and then we never see her again. What was up with that anyway?

 

[kimc]

A really clever Janeway ()

This is borderline trolling. Keep it up and it's a warning.

 

[Meredith]

The race with the transporter that could go 40,000 Light years. Have them build a bigger version that can transport large chunks of the ship. Chop the ship up into chunks and move it one piece at a time 40,000LY in exchange for stories and stuff. then Have Belanna weld the ship back together.

You just took 40 years off the trip. and it took a year of taking the ship apart and moving it bit by bit.

an Episode that takes a year to go and the idea your ship was chopped up into small chunks is kinda cool.

 

[scorpius1701]

It seems to me that the slipstream drive used in Timeless would have gotten the job done. They were able to keep it stable for a few minutes, all they would have to do is a series of very short jumps and they would have been home in a month.

 

[Sisko4Life]

^^^^ That is the best way they could have gotten home. But that would be too easy!

Hell, if the Flyer was too small to get ripped up by the slipstream, they couldve piled the entire crew into a few shuttles, had voyager open the slipstream to the AQ, and voyager gets thrown out and blows up while all the shuttles make it back!

lets see... the Barzan Wormhole they could have just entered it instead of trying to stop the Ferengi...

Using the Caretaker array to get back... its against Federation policy to "interfere" with other races anyway... so they had no obligation to protect the Ocampa.

Taking the Borg queen's offer to stay out of their affairs in exchange for Transwarp technology... I mean they bargained with the Borg before why not try it again?

In Dark Frontier, one Transwarp coil = 20,000 light years and as far as I know, Borg vessels carry multiple coils. They could have just stole all 3, left seven behind and been home in time for supper.

Set a course for the Idran system... which theoretically is half the distance of traveling all the way home. Then they just need to evade a few thousand light years of the Dominion and take the Bajoran Wormhole back.

The unethical way... is to have Ransom equip Voyager with the new Warp Drive, activate the field generator to stop the aliens.. then just warp home and pray fissures dont open at the celebration on Earth.

 

[DWF]

Simple take Voyager into the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole to get back to DS9.

http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/quadrants.jpg

 

[Deks]

Simple take Voyager into the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole to get back to DS9.

http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/quadrants.jpg

It would take Voyager about 75 years to reach the wormhole in the GQ ... so it was better for Janeway to set a course for the AQ as she had no way of knowing if the wormole will be there by the time the ship reaches it.

 

[DWF]

Simple take Voyager into the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole to get back to DS9.

http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/quadrants.jpg

It would take Voyager about 75 years to reach the wormhole in the GQ ... so it was better for Janeway to set a course for the AQ as she had no way of knowing if the wormole will be there by the time the ship reaches it.

I don't think so the galaxy is longer than it is wide and it'd take them 75 years to reach the Alpha Quadrant using their warp drive, I think it'd be a much shorter trip the Bajoran wormhole.

 

[Bill Morris]

All Janeway had to do was agree to be Q's girlfriend if he sent Voyager home safely.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Simple take Voyager into the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole to get back to DS9.

It would take Voyager about 75 years to reach the wormhole in the GQ ... so it was better for Janeway to set a course for the AQ as she had no way of knowing if the wormole will be there by the time the ship reaches it.

I agree. I don't think the Bajoran wormhole would have been a viable option--at bare minimum it would have required them to travel another 50,000 light-years farther away from where they already were and travel through already hostile space (the Dominion had already seized control of the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole a year prior to Voyager's launch) and hope they weren't shot down like the Odyssey was.

 

[DWF]

I agree. I don't think the Bajoran wormhole would have been a viable option--at bare minimum it would have required them to travel another 50,000 light-years farther away from where they already were and travel through already hostile space (the Dominion had already seized control of the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole a year prior to Voyager's launch) and hope they weren't shot down like the Odyssey was.

So the Dominion is more dangerous than the Borg, Hirogen and the Vaadwa? None of which would've much of a threat of Voyager hadn't ran into them.