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Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

Set Harth said:
Have they even appeared in Disney-canon yet? It would have been nice for them to have turned up as the Exegol cultists in IX, but oh well.
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Not yet. It would have been an interesting bit of world-building if real Sith were there on Exegol, but at that point it would have just muddied narrative waters that were already pretty murky.
Really? According to those people that means he's (unhelpfully) stating that he's the only one left? :lol:
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Yes, but there was an implication that he held the strength of all the Sith within his being, just as the same thing was implied when Rey started hearing the voices of all the Jedi that came before her, giving her strength to rise up and fight against Palpatine, the self-appointed embodiment of all Sith.
Putting aside the fact that Rey isn't literally all of anything, what the hell would one thing have to do with the other?
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See my comment above. And true, if she was all of nothing, the line shouldn't have held any meaning. But since both of them said the same thing to each other, and we were meant to believe that Palpatine was the embodiment of all Sith and Rey was the embodiment of all Jedi, the statements were designed to be counter-balancing against each other, despite the fact their respective reasons for saying such a thing were both deeply flawed and nothing more than epic shit-talking. :lol:
Yeah... decanonizing a long-standing part of the PT doesn't sound like a great idea, nor would it set a good precedent.
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Sadly true, like all religious indoctrination, very hard to put the shit back in that taun-taun.
Well, we did see some of it...
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Yes, pushing the outer boundaries of what would be considered agreeable for a less-than-"R" rating in the cinema.
 
The Clone Wars covered that. After the end of the last mass war between the Sith and Jedi, the Sith backstabbing results in their defeat. The lone survivor, Darth Bane starts the Rule of Two to pass on Sith teachings. A master with the knowledge and power, and an apprentice to crave that power. That seems to have worked for them, more or less, for a thousand years. There are other dark side users, but none as feared as the Sith. When Darth Maul is cut down by Obi-wan, Palpatine assumes him to be dead. Plus he just spotted someone far more interesting in Anakin. When Maul pops up again over ten years later, Palpatine goes out to see him. Calls him a rival, and that he has been replaced (by Dooku).

After the war, when the Inquisitors are set up they are trained to be Jedi hunters, but not Sith. Vader does not train them too much, and certainly not in survival skills like Anakin trained Ahsoka. As for Balan Skole, we don't know what his deal is. He was a Jedi, but has delved into other kinds of training. But still not Sith teachings.
 
137th Gebirg said:
IMO, Lucas did a grave disservice to the franchise by limiting "official" Sith numbers to "only two". It just never made any sense narratively, and subsequent writers, directors and producers have really had a needlessly challenging time trying to work around that absurd canon just to be able to tell interesting stories.
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Mellow out, man. Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. ;)
 
137th Gebirg said:
Yes, but there was an implication that he held the strength of all the Sith within his being
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But what does that mean and how does it have anything to do with the Rule of Two?
137th Gebirg said:
And true, if she was all of nothing, the line shouldn't have held any meaning.
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She doesn't have to be literally all the Jedi to be assisted by certain Force ghosts.
137th Gebirg said:
their respective reasons for saying such a thing were both deeply flawed and nothing more than epic shit-talking.
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The "all" part, specifically, is that which doesn't seem logically defensible or supported by what we see and hear if taken literally. ( For one thing, even the most generous interpretation of Palpatine's claim would not in theory account for offshoots from the Banite line or other divergences. ) But that doesn't reduce either claim to nothing more than shit talking. Presumably in each case the statement is meant to have some tangible meaning beyond that.
137th Gebirg said:
Sadly true, like all religious indoctrination, very hard to put the shit back in that taun-taun.
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It has nothing to do with religious indoctrination. No one was indoctrinated, they were just presented with an official plot point. It's a practical question of whether the license holder would see it as a wise move to arbitrarily render things non-canon for little to no perceptible benefit. See also those who once claimed a certain Rebels episode would be retconned.
137th Gebirg said:
Yes, pushing the outer boundaries of what would be considered agreeable for a less-than-"R" rating in the cinema.
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It wasn't in a cinema.
Ithekro said:
As for Balan Skole, we don't know what his deal is.
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I think we can call him a Dark Jedi.
 
137th Gebirg said:
Y'know, this whole "there are only two - a master and an apprentice" thing from the PT really just pisses me off. It felt like it was meant to be some throw-away line that sounded vaguely dramatic and mysterious, which also prevented the existence of a Sith army that would just absolutely eviscerate the Jedi Order if they wanted to.

For decades, people have been twisting themselves into knots trying to fit that statement into new and existing canon, where we have situations that people running around with red lightsabers really aren't true Sith, even though they practice high levels of skill in Dark Side arts, like the Inquisitors, Dooku & Ventris, Skoll & Hati (they even had blood-orange lightsabers, not full-synthetic red kyber to let us know they were never "real" Sith) - people who are-but-not-quite. It's always only ever just Palpatine and ... someone ... running around causing mass-havoc across the galaxy. Did Maul, complete with a Dark Lord of the Sith "Darth" title prior to Anakin/Vader, cease being a Sith after Kenobi cut him in half, recovered and went rogue?

And what of the original ancient Sith race, the original inhabitants of Korriban, from which many "modern" Sith derive descendancy? Were there only ever just 2 of them to qualify as a whole "species" of Dark Side wielders?

IMO, Lucas did a grave disservice to the franchise by limiting "official" Sith numbers to "only two". It just never made any sense narratively, and subsequent writers, directors and producers have really had a needlessly challenging time trying to work around that absurd canon just to be able to tell interesting stories. I see people doing it here to explain the equally weird "I am ALL the Sith" statement from Palpy in the final film. How does that make sense when Rey said she was "ALL the Jedi" and they clearly didn't have the same limit in numbers, and there were still clearly Jedi running around all over the place after the GO-66 purge?

I really wish Filoni or someone would decanonize that remark, but I suspect it won't happen so long as Lucas is still around. It's buried itself too deeply in the lore at this point anyway, like an Alabama tick...
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I've never been bothered by the Rule of Two, the thing to keep in mind with this is that the Sith are a very specific group with very specific teachings and methods, and not every Dark Side user follows them. There's nothing wrong with their being other Dark Jedi and Dark Side users who aren't Sith.
The Inquisitors are a perfect example of this since they work for the Sith, but since they aren't indoctrinated into the Sith Order the way Vader, Dooku, Maul, ect. were, so they're not Sith.
It's the same with the Jedi, there are other Light Side users out there who aren't Jedi.
As for the Sith species, I think even in the Disney canon, they were all dead long before the Rule of Two became a thing.
 
Not at all a pun, that's precisely the role played by Mae and then Osha in The Acolyte. Two that are Sith... and then a third.
 
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Well apprently Qimir's planned story was for him to eventually break off from Plagueis and create the Knights of Ren.
 
Knowing Plagueis he scares off Qimir by being TOO extreme even for a Sith and replaces him with Osha, and after Osha dies or is killed this up-and-coming young guy with political ambitions on Naboo comes into view.
 
Sith value competition. If you constantly fear replacements that will fuel your ambition. Even Sidious used this with Maul in the books. The Rule of Two is the craving of and consolidating of power. It's meant to be exclusionary because Sith cannot imagine people who do not crave power. To them, power is the only thing that matters, so everyone will want to be like them.
 
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