Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

[Set Harth]

eh..."you could get him to let me pilot it for you"

"You're a pilot?"
"All my life"

and then... other stuff happens

No, Qui Gon took it upon himself, Obi Wan was dying wished into it.

He still took it upon himself. He never read the imaginary rulebook that says these concepts are mutually exclusive.

Again, easily justifiable, but still a violation of what Lucas meant at the time the line was written.

Doesn't the idea that a Jedi can only be trained by one person seem a bit presumptuous?

Come on, there is no possible interpretation here other than Owen not wanting Anakin to leave Tatooine with Obi-Wan for the very first time

Obviously that's not the case. You spoke of "contradictions" but the only things being contradicted here were your own assumptions.

 

[UssGlenn]

Doesn't the idea that a Jedi can only be trained by one person seem a bit presumptuous?

We shouldn't have to come up with justifications for the plain text of the dialogue. If Empire had been written after TMP Obi-Wan would have said "Yoda, the great Jedi instructor", since he taught many Jedi.

"You're a pilot?"
"All my life"

When is that? I can't find it in the transcript.

Obviously that's not the case. You spoke of "contradictions" but the only things being contradicted here were your own assumptions.

Not my assumptions, everyones, including 1977 George Lucas. This version of the story didn't exist before 1994. People were upset because Lucas changed his mind about what the backstory was and that's super annoying.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's in the scene where Padmé first meets Anakin in Watto's junk shop. Anakin says he's a pilot and that someday he's going to fly away from that place, and the two lines of dialogue follow.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Jake Lloyd's voice saying that is burned into my brain.

 

[Gaith]

Ironically, wasn’t a big complaint of TPM that it wasn’t close enough to ANH?

In tone, sure. In plot? I don't recall anyone saying that.

 

[Set Harth]

We shouldn't have to come up with justifications for the plain text of the dialogue.

Your assumptions are not the plain text of the dialogue.

Not my assumptions, everyones, including 1977 George Lucas.

You do not actually know what everyone thinks, difficult as that may be to imagine.

 

[Tallguy]

... which should have been a giant clue to Abrams and the other filmmakers that "their" story (or, rather, their plagiarism of Lucas' 1977 story) was horribly flawed.

And yet Wise Master Hamill thinks there was a place in there for a 30 second scene. And was terribly offended when he was denied this most reasonable and simple of requests.

Did Lucas copy elements and heavily sampled prior sequences and shots, especially in the Death Star trench run? Of course, but Abrams' copying was on a whole additional level. Reasonable people can disagree on which words to use when, but suggesting that Abrams didn't copy ANH more heavily, more directly, and in greater quantity than Lucas copied from his prior sources is absurd.

You have a planet killer and a desert planet (which, incredibly, he manages to make VERY different from Tatooine).

AND?

As for assumptions about the prequels: I for one heard the line "A young student named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights" OBVIOUSLY meant "He cut up a bunch of four year olds with a lightsaber while a clone army took on the grown ups. THAT lightsaber, as a matter of fact."

 

[Set Harth]

You have a planet killer and a desert planet (which, incredibly, he manages to make VERY different from Tatooine).

"Tatooine, but less interesting."

a clone army took on the grown ups.

Not all of them.