Based on your apparently loose definition of plagiarism, Lucas himself plagiarised from other movies to make ANH.
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Replicating narrative elements and aesthetic structure and tone for the express purpose of replicating a feeling of nostalgia isn't Plagiarism.
My opinion has always been that TFA had one goal to achieve, and it did so; prove it was possible to make a decent Star Wars movie after 1983 (or, if you're uncharitable, 1980). Yes, it stuck close to precedent, but that was the smart play in order to make something Star Wars-y (good Star Wars-y) but still modern and show that the franchise had legs beyond being a beloved-but-obsolete framework you could hang video games, novels, and cartoons off of.
TFA had a mythic quality to it which made it work..
Han Solo's death scene was brilliantly conceived and executed. There's nothing in that scene that "plagiarizes" any part of preexisting Star Wars canon.
Did Lucas copy elements and heavily sampled prior sequences and shots, especially in the Death Star trench run? Of course, but Abrams' copying was on a whole additional level. Reasonable people can disagree on which words to use when, but suggesting that Abrams didn't copy ANH more heavily, more directly, and in greater quantity than Lucas copied from his prior sources is absurd.
Ironically, wasn’t a big complaint of TPM that it wasn’t close enough to ANH?
Now, here we are.
I’m not saying TFA isn’t riffing on ANH. Sure it is. But it has enough different that it’s got some great scenes that have no parallel to ANH. Some that haven’t been mentioned are the striking visuals of the attack on the village by the First Order; the escape from Jakku in the Falcon, and of course the wonderful imagery from the end climb of the Jedi Steps.
Now, here we are.
I’m not saying TFA isn’t riffing on ANH. Sure it is. But it has enough different that it’s got some great scenes that have no parallel to ANH. Some that haven’t been mentioned are the striking visuals of the attack on the village by the First Order; the escape from Jakku in the Falcon, and of course the wonderful imagery from the end climb of the Jedi Steps.
Exactly.
The First Order comes in with a bang, and is quite effective throughout. They destroy Maz's castle easily, and wipe out the village. Their ruthlessness is excellent.
It's a Macro vs Micro thing. TFA has Macro resemblances to ANH, so the overall feel is similar, but the details are different. ANH takes tons of details from it's source material but the final assembly is unique.
The complaints about Anakins age and casting, and Jar Jar really overshadow everything else. That, and contradictions of what little backstory we knew already.
"When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot."
"I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda."
"Yoda, the Jedi Master who trained me".
"He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved."
You can "certain point of view" the others, but that last one is pretty indefensible, Anakin hadn't even met Lars before he left.
Lloyd's Anakin calls himself a pilot in TPM, then... other stuff happens
He... did, though?
This would be prior to Qui-Gon. ( btw it's "instructed" )
It doesn't matter. Owen didn't need to have met him to have an opinion about his leaving.
"I guess that makes me your stepbrother."
Owen's line "This is my girlfriend, Beru." rubs me the wrong way, more than anything Jar Jar ever said or even did.
eh..."you could get him to let me pilot it for you"
The point is we all know Lucas was talking about a starfighter when he wrote the line in ROTJ.
He... did, though?
No, Qui Gon took it upon himself, Obi Wan was dying wished into it. And Yoda's relative teaching skill wasn't a factor in that at all.
That's the only quote I didn't look up. Again, easily justifiable, but still a violation of what Lucas meant at the time the line was written.
Come on, there is no possible interpretation here other than Owen not wanting Anakin to leave Tatooine with Obi-Wan for the very first time, (most likely to go fight in the already raging clone wars). Obi-Wan wasn't even there for Owen and Anakins only meeting in ATOC.
By the way, the other line "He was the best star pilot in the galaxy....", that one is from the 1977 film.
Likes to take spacecraft out for a spin!