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aliens ruined by TREK

TNG ruined the Klingons. DS9 ruined the Ferengi. VOY ruined 8472. ENT ruined the Gorn.

Huh?
Overall I think TNG did a good job with the Klingons. I know many of my Klingon friends disagree, but oh well...they GREW under Moore. You may not have liked the way it went...but you can't please every one.

DS9 made the Feringi 'matter'

The other two? I agree with ..

Rob
Scorpio
 
Star Trek ruined the Borg on TNG (after BOBW) and VOY finished them off.

I also think the Romulans were ruined in NEM.

ENT ruined almost every alien they featured, with possibly the exception of the Andorians.
 
I also think the Romulans were ruined in NEM.

How could they? They were barely in it!

Except for one group, the Senate who were all killed off in the opening scene, and one other (Donatra's crew).

In any case, this film hardly did anything at all to Romulans as a species, good or bad.
 
Klingons.
I got sick of them by the time DS9 ended.
I realize that they are a major part of trek, and they will continue to be seen in new Trek movies and series, but I am just really sick of them.

I ran a poll on "which alien was worst" about 2 and 1/2 months ago

Most people voted for either the Klingon or Ocampa

Klingon were in the lead by a good 10% before voting closed

Maybe the Modern day Klingon, I loved Michael Dorn's Worf but some times the other Klingon just seemed too cartoonish. How could a feudal, infighting society so infatuated with Knives, Blood, Tribal rituals and Martyrdom ever become an inter stellar species ?
Ocampa, the Kes species, must be one of the species the "writers" screwed up the most. One of the shortest lifespans, only one child its amazing the species didn't go extinct on day one. It's difficult to be disappointed in a people that never took flight in the first place. The Ocampa come and go with Voyager, their badly written characters never get to plague the ST universe ever again.

I think the difference between Ocampa and Klingon is the Ocampa were killed off while Voy was on air, while the crappy modern day Klingon remained on our screens irritating us for many years to come and perhaps many more if J.J. Abrams so choses
 
I also think the Romulans were ruined in NEM.

How could they? They were barely in it!

Except for one group, the Senate who were all killed off in the opening scene, and one other (Donatra's crew).

In any case, this film hardly did anything at all to Romulans as a species, good or bad.

They were ruined by being shown as weak. Easily conquered by a bald human wearing a leather outfit, and his cronies who looked like vampires.
 
I hate Klingons. I hate how TNG et al romanticize them. They should have been completely villainous in ENT.

Here's another, a lot more promising than the Hirogen IMO: Species 8472, ruined in "In the Flesh."

Giving Romulan butt-foreheads or whatever pretty much messed them as well. How would Styles have ever confused one of them for a Vulcan in "Balance of Terror"? Unless they too need an ENT episode explaining changing make-up styles "in-universe."

And how could Spock walk around freely on Romulus in Unification, passing as a Romulan?
 
VOY definitely ruined Species 8472.


They were great as near invincible lunatics in "Scorpion", then became crap as Hirogen prey, and even crapper when disguised as Boothby.
 
Well, that's the problem when you have a show about one single ship with no permanent allies or support and you expect them to win against some super-race. How else was VOY supposed to survive repeated encounters?
 
The Trill. I think there was a lot more possibility in the compound personality theory that Trek realised. I couldnt see why anyone would ever want to be a host on the evidence provided in the scripts!
 
TNG ruined the Klingons. DS9 ruined the Ferengi. VOY ruined 8472. ENT ruined the Gorn.

Huh?
Overall I think TNG did a good job with the Klingons. I know many of my Klingon friends disagree, but oh well...they GREW under Moore. You may not have liked the way it went...but you can't please every one.

DS9 made the Feringi 'matter'

The other two? I agree with ..

Rob
Scorpio
One of the problems I find in the aliens of Star Trek is that each group is portrayed as being cut from the same cloth. Klingons and Andorians are warriors. Romulans are conquerors. Ferengi are avaricious. Vulcans are logical (in a relativistic kind of way).

Humans are a conglomeration of all the other species and are always right. :rolleyes:
 
TNG ruined the Klingons. DS9 ruined the Ferengi. VOY ruined 8472. ENT ruined the Gorn.

Huh?
Overall I think TNG did a good job with the Klingons. I know many of my Klingon friends disagree, but oh well...they GREW under Moore. You may not have liked the way it went...but you can't please every one.

DS9 made the Feringi 'matter'

The other two? I agree with ..

Rob
Scorpio
One of the problems I find in the aliens of Star Trek is that each group is portrayed as being cut from the same cloth. Klingons and Andorians are warriors. Romulans are conquerors. Ferengi are avaricious. Vulcans are logical (in a relativistic kind of way).

Humans are a conglomeration of all the other species and are always right. :rolleyes:

Umm..I agree. For a show with IDIC at its heart, it sure seemed racist at times in the way it lumped all of one species into the same group...

WHICH is why I like Sybok! He was definately not your normal Vulcan and that is why I think, next to Spock, he is the most original.

Rob
Scorpio
 
Heck, Humans are actually stereotyped as peaceful enlightened types in Trek so we're not beyond the typing either.
 
I am surprised no one has mentioned the Q. They ended up going from a mysterious omnipotent race putting humanity on trial to being held up by the Voyager crew at gun point and having their "savior" be a teenage punk who likes discos.

I agree with the Borg though. Half way through Voyager's run with them they were complete incompetents who were practically walking into each other. Of course the writing on Voyager was so sharp that they actually took a race whose greatest strength was their ability to adapt and change at a split second,and had them defeated twice by the same trick(beaming a torpedo on to the ship). I think the genesis of the problem was the decision to go full time with the Borg Queen. The Borg then went from a monolithic implacable force to a sneering villian and her band of goons. By the end of the series one chick with a shuttlecraft was taking them out. Fitting end to Voyager and the Borg.
 
They had to do that, if the Borg were still some unstoppable invincible force VOY would've been destroyed in 5 minutes.
 
The Star Fleet Universe did a way better job with the Klingons than normal Trek ever did. They go into way more detail about their society and flesh them out a lot.

They have the reputation of being fearsome warriors, but that is because that's the image their military has worked very hard to promote in their dealings with other races. The average Klingon civilian is not that much different from a human being, albeit with a significantly lower standard of living in most places. This is due to the Klingon Empire being poorer than the Federation, and having an overinflated military budget. In fact, their fear of being economically dominated by the Federation is the main cause of their antagonistic relationship with them.

Also, in the SFU, the Klingon Empire is an actual empire, encompassing many different subject races. The Klingons themselves rule over all of them with an iron fist. But on most Klingon ships the crews are primarily made up of these subject races(although never in a command position).

Paranoia is fairly common in Klingon society. Their subject races are not happy, but they rarely, if ever, try to revolt. The few that have were made dramatic examples of by the Klingons. Because of the tense situation within the Klingon state, they have the ESS, or "Empire Security Service". The ESS is basically a secret police organization that watches everyone like a hawk. They have broad powers and report only to the highest levels of the Klingon government. Their agents are everywhere, and even Klingon starship captains fear them.

Within the Klingon military, there is a very strong code of personal honor, which is very important to them, but they aren't buffoons like modern Trek Klingons. They don't fight to the death mindlessly while screaming about glory. To them, there is more honor in living to fight again and succeeding than sacrificing their lives needlessly. In fact, such an act would be considered laughable and idiotic by SFU Klingons. But they also would not hesitate to sacrifice themselves defending their homes and their empire if the situation required it.

Man, if only they had kept going with the Klingons as they had been set up in TOS. Then they could have been actually interesting, instead of a bunch of flamboyant and predictable cartoon characters.
 
People,

Well, just as VOY overused and diluted the Borg, that show is guilty of doing the same for the Q, esp. the last horrific ep with Q's son. Having said that, if it weren't for the VOY ep Death Wish, where a Q wants to commit suicide, we wouldn't have seen the Q Continuum. I found it fascinating that a desert and a never-ending road, indicating a stagnant species, made up the Q's existence.

I also want to pick up on what a poster said earlier about Q's statement in Q Who, that the Federation wasn't prepared for what lay ahead. He wasn't just referrring to the Borg. That in itself is a scary thought.

Red Ranger
 
The Star Fleet Universe did a way better job with the Klingons than normal Trek ever did. They go into way more detail about their society and flesh them out a lot.

They have the reputation of being fearsome warriors, but that is because that's the image their military has worked very hard to promote in their dealings with other races. The average Klingon civilian is not that much different from a human being, albeit with a significantly lower standard of living in most places. This is due to the Klingon Empire being poorer than the Federation, and having an overinflated military budget. In fact, their fear of being economically dominated by the Federation is the main cause of their antagonistic relationship with them.

Also, in the SFU, the Klingon Empire is an actual empire, encompassing many different subject races. The Klingons themselves rule over all of them with an iron fist. But on most Klingon ships the crews are primarily made up of these subject races(although never in a command position).

Paranoia is fairly common in Klingon society. Their subject races are not happy, but they rarely, if ever, try to revolt. The few that have were made dramatic examples of by the Klingons. Because of the tense situation within the Klingon state, they have the ESS, or "Empire Security Service". The ESS is basically a secret police organization that watches everyone like a hawk. They have broad powers and report only to the highest levels of the Klingon government. Their agents are everywhere, and even Klingon starship captains fear them.

Within the Klingon military, there is a very strong code of personal honor, which is very important to them, but they aren't buffoons like modern Trek Klingons. They don't fight to the death mindlessly while screaming about glory. To them, there is more honor in living to fight again and succeeding than sacrificing their lives needlessly. In fact, such an act would be considered laughable and idiotic by SFU Klingons. But they also would not hesitate to sacrifice themselves defending their homes and their empire if the situation required it.

Man, if only they had kept going with the Klingons as they had been set up in TOS. Then they could have been actually interesting, instead of a bunch of flamboyant and predictable cartoon characters.


I've been trying to remember what the ape-like Klingon species are called..:confused:
 
The Star Fleet Universe did a way better job with the Klingons than normal Trek ever did. They go into way more detail about their society and flesh them out a lot.

They have the reputation of being fearsome warriors, but that is because that's the image their military has worked very hard to promote in their dealings with other races. The average Klingon civilian is not that much different from a human being, albeit with a significantly lower standard of living in most places. This is due to the Klingon Empire being poorer than the Federation, and having an overinflated military budget. In fact, their fear of being economically dominated by the Federation is the main cause of their antagonistic relationship with them.

Also, in the SFU, the Klingon Empire is an actual empire, encompassing many different subject races. The Klingons themselves rule over all of them with an iron fist. But on most Klingon ships the crews are primarily made up of these subject races(although never in a command position).

Paranoia is fairly common in Klingon society. Their subject races are not happy, but they rarely, if ever, try to revolt. The few that have were made dramatic examples of by the Klingons. Because of the tense situation within the Klingon state, they have the ESS, or "Empire Security Service". The ESS is basically a secret police organization that watches everyone like a hawk. They have broad powers and report only to the highest levels of the Klingon government. Their agents are everywhere, and even Klingon starship captains fear them.

Within the Klingon military, there is a very strong code of personal honor, which is very important to them, but they aren't buffoons like modern Trek Klingons. They don't fight to the death mindlessly while screaming about glory. To them, there is more honor in living to fight again and succeeding than sacrificing their lives needlessly. In fact, such an act would be considered laughable and idiotic by SFU Klingons. But they also would not hesitate to sacrifice themselves defending their homes and their empire if the situation required it.

Man, if only they had kept going with the Klingons as they had been set up in TOS. Then they could have been actually interesting, instead of a bunch of flamboyant and predictable cartoon characters.

That just sounds like some generic military dictatorship State. And the TOS Klingons were just a bunch of usual Space Pirate bad guys.
 
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