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Alien/Aliens - LV-426 timeline

^I think you just spent more time thinking about that than Cameron bothered with. :)
 
The Sulaco wasn't over Fury 161 when it ejected the EEV, the EEV homed in on the Company Beacon the prison had (they had a working comm system). It's just the editing makes it seem like it immediately crashed after ejection. The EEV was really floating in space for a while before the crash.

No, the EEV ejects over the planet, it's seen at the beginning of the film.
 
Hadley's Hope had a population of 158 people. That make one alien per colonist minus Rebecca (Newt) and John J. Marichuk. That's 156 aliens the Marines had to battle. There were at least several people still incubating the alien embryos as evidenced by the victim scene "k-kill me, please". I'd say for argument's sake 10 victims still having chestbursters within.

The colonists surely fought and killed several aliens before the Sulaco arrived. Let's say another 10 which leaves 136.

During the remote sentry scene, we don't really see aliens being plowed down by the guns but we can safely assume that at least 100 aliens bought it. That leaves 36 aliens to contend with.

All the running and gunning during the initial battle sequence, aliens being hit by the APC, we'll say 20 aliens died in that engagement including the one that got aboard the dropship killing Spunkmeyer and Ferro. That's 16 aliens left.

The second engagement where they came down from above the ceiling: maybe 10. 6 aliens left including the queen, the alien that took Newt from the sewer, the two sentry aliens in the queen's lair.

Then again, from recent Alien series developments, are numbers may be far too conservative. We saw in AVP-R that a baby Queen (the PredAlien was a Praetorian according to behind the scenes materials) had the ability of directly injecting Alien Warrior embryoes into the womb of female hosts. There could have been many, many more aliens than 157.
 
Originally Posted by Rÿcher
Hadley's Hope had a population of 158 people. That make one alien per colonist minus Rebecca (Newt) and John J. Marichuk. That's 156 aliens the Marines had to battle. There were at least several people still incubating the alien embryos as evidenced by the victim scene "k-kill me, please". I'd say for argument's sake 10 victims still having chestbursters within.

The colonists surely fought and killed several aliens before the Sulaco arrived. Let's say another 10 which leaves 136.

During the remote sentry scene, we don't really see aliens being plowed down by the guns but we can safely assume that at least 100 aliens bought it. That leaves 36 aliens to contend with.

All the running and gunning during the initial battle sequence, aliens being hit by the APC, we'll say 20 aliens died in that engagement including the one that got aboard the dropship killing Spunkmeyer and Ferro. That's 16 aliens left.

The second engagement where they came down from above the ceiling: maybe 10. 6 aliens left including the queen, the alien that took Newt from the sewer, the two sentry aliens in the queen's lair.


^ As a devoted "Aliens" fan, I have to say...........I think I just came in my pants a little.


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^^^I never realized it was only two to three week trip. I always assumed that those ships (Nostromo, Sulaco, etc...) were out for months or even years.

It comes from one of Hudson's rants when he says "four more weeks then out", which is supposed to imply it would only take less than a month to get home.

This interestingly points to how fast propulsion has developed in 57 years:

In Alien, Lambert says it will take 10 months to get home from their current location, which is identified as Zeta Reticuli, about 40ly from Earth.

In Aliens, it will only take 4 weeks.

This is despite seeing both ships never seemingly to break faster than a lumbering crawl...

I thought that Hicks said they could expect a rescue in 17 days(obviously way too long for them, but pretty fast to get to Zeta Reticuli 2.

Edit: I guess someone else already mentioned the 17 day thing.
 
Hadley's Hope had a population of 158 people. That make one alien per colonist minus Rebecca (Newt) and John J. Marichuk. That's 156 aliens the Marines had to battle. There were at least several people still incubating the alien embryos as evidenced by the victim scene "k-kill me, please". I'd say for argument's sake 10 victims still having chestbursters within.

The colonists surely fought and killed several aliens before the Sulaco arrived. Let's say another 10 which leaves 136.

During the remote sentry scene, we don't really see aliens being plowed down by the guns but we can safely assume that at least 100 aliens bought it. That leaves 36 aliens to contend with.

All the running and gunning during the initial battle sequence, aliens being hit by the APC, we'll say 20 aliens died in that engagement including the one that got aboard the dropship killing Spunkmeyer and Ferro. That's 16 aliens left.

The second engagement where they came down from above the ceiling: maybe 10. 6 aliens left including the queen, the alien that took Newt from the sewer, the two sentry aliens in the queen's lair.

This is why, despite the fact that I love Alien and Aliens, and a lot of the spin-off comics, I've always been pretty unconvinced by the idea that they could overrun Earth, as in the comics. They can never outnumber the population of the planet they're on, and, you know, we've got guns and nukes and stuff. I suppose if they bred in secret, deep in a rainforest or something (we know they do use animals as hosts) then a significantly dangerous horde might arise - but I don't see invasion potential as long as we have technology. I understand that she wasn't fully aware of the Alien's capabilities and limitations when she made the speech, but when Ripley says:

"If one of those things gets down here, just one, then all this bullshit that you think is so important, well you can just kiss all that goodbye!" (from memory, might not be completely accurate)

I always think: well sure, you might lose a few people, maybe even a hundred, if they are densely packed, but eventually, someone is going to fire a gun and get a hit, and it'll go down - that's why I was never that convinced by the Xenomorphs used as bioweapons theory that always comes up.
 
^ I think that AVP-R makes an invasion even more likely though. The Alien Queen and the Praetorians (from that film) could 'infect' women with chestburster embryoes. We saw one woman give birth to around three or four of them.
 
^ I think that AVP-R makes an invasion even more likely though. The Alien Queen and the Praetorians (from that film) could 'infect' women with chestburster embryoes. We saw one woman give birth to around three or four of them.

It did, but that didn't really make sense - why would there be any need for Facehuggers if the bigger versions could breed perfectly happily and, indeed, more efficiently - more embryos in a quicker time?
 
^ Perhaps there is some type of time limit on how long a Praetorian can do that. Maybe it was a feature designed to give it protectors before it molts into a Queen (it was supposed to be nesting in the hospital). Similar to how a Warrior could make a Queen facehugger.
 
The Sulaco wasn't over Fury 161 when it ejected the EEV, the EEV homed in on the Company Beacon the prison had (they had a working comm system). It's just the editing makes it seem like it immediately crashed after ejection. The EEV was really floating in space for a while before the crash.

No, the EEV ejects over the planet, it's seen at the beginning of the film.

That's what I'm talking about, the way it's edited together makes it look like it ejected over the planet when it really just homed in on the beacon it was giving off. It looks like a continuous shot when it's not supposed to be.
 
^ And it didn't even necessarily home in on the beacon of the prison. The EEV crashed into an ocean according to the workprint version and was only found by blind luck. If the EEV was homing in it would have more than likely landed safely at the prison.
 
The beach was right outside the prison, the EEV actually crashed not too far from it. The crash itself was due to launch malfunction from the Sulaco's CPU being damaged by the fire (it was an electrical fire).
 
^ And it didn't even necessarily home in on the beacon of the prison. The EEV crashed into an ocean according to the workprint version and was only found by blind luck. If the EEV was homing in it would have more than likely landed safely at the prison.

How can the EEV land? I didn't see any engines on it.
 
^ And it didn't even necessarily home in on the beacon of the prison. The EEV crashed into an ocean according to the workprint version and was only found by blind luck. If the EEV was homing in it would have more than likely landed safely at the prison.

How can the EEV land? I didn't see any engines on it.

Maybe it employed a parachute system, but that would only work for planets with an atmosphere.
 
I'm amazed something of such an irregular shape survived entry at all. From the looks of it I don't think it's meant to make planet fall, just float in space, keep the passengers in cryo and wait for rescue.
 
I'm amazed something of such an irregular shape survived entry at all. From the looks of it I don't think it's meant to make planet fall, just float in space, keep the passengers in cryo and wait for rescue.

That is just a matter of materials. You've seen that material that they throw in a furnace and it is glowing with heat, but you can hold it? The landing would be an issue for the people inside unless they have a landing system.
 
It's not just heat, it's kinetic energy too. With a hull shape like that it'd as good as impossible to maintain a stable orientation as it his the atmosphere and the vehicle would tumble and spin all over the place. Even if it holds together and doesn't sheer itself into tiny pieces, the passengers inside are going to be plastered all over the walls.
 
I really don't think we should worry about this too much - after all, we were close to getting a constructed wooden planet!!!

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Why can't the EEV have a programmed 'entry mode' where it adopts the correct position for entering an atmosphere? I would have thought that since vehicles have been able to do this since the beginning of the manned space programme, it would be commonplace by that time.
 
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