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Alex Kurtzman on the Fine Line Between Adding to, and Staying True to, Star Trek's Canon

The ship was at risk. The episode literally says 'ship's condition critical' and if the magnetic storms hadn't let up they wouldn't have been able to contact/find Childress at the end at all.

Yes, because the situation then escalated beyond what Mudd had in mind. That’s a far cry from “You’re mad!” / “I’m Mudd!” — the writers really wanted to stretch the character within the constraints of story continuity, to the point where it’s hard to connect the dots.

The word fan itself literally comes from fanatic and I was comparing you to similarly legacy hating fans on a Superhero board, not al Qaeda. I think you're the one taking that bit too seriously.

No, you obviously are, since you can’t even imagine people holding strong opinions without viewing them as ”hating” fanatics on the other side of the screen and calling them out as such instead of sticking to discussion. I’ve said elsewhere that all this means in practice is that I’ll enjoy other TV while rewatching an ST show fewer times (once, maybe twice), because as a fan I’m still involved, and that’s all the word fan suggests in the English language: enthusiasm. Etymology is irrelevant to its present-day effect.

And the difference between Data and Spock is barely more than the difference between Nimoy and Peck.

Sure, one only struggles with emotions while the other plainly wants but can’t have them. One’s status as a person is in question while the other is bridging two worlds. The similarity is only in the vague character template (which I think should be avoided also, but at least this was a step forward).

What's nonsense is your claim that legacy gets in the way of that and should be eliminated for the good of innovation.

I don’t claim that it should be eliminated, just accepted warts and all (which is what DS9 did with the still contemporary TNG), so that writers are discouraged from going back to the well lest it starts to feel outdated eventually. Do you want to be the writer who gave the 2017 revamp to Spock, or one who created a character that’s just as iconic?

Just look at the amount of hate DSC gets from certain quarters purely for daring to use Spock at all and tell me again how they just did it for 'safety'.

It doesn’t matter because any publicity is good publicity. Bringing back the Enterprise generates hype that wouldn’t have been there if they encountered only Captain Unknown of the U.S.S. Brandnew. How will they bring in Spock? Will it be good? Will it feel off? How did they do? You can write him passably and still generate ratings. Creating new, interesting characters and getting the audience to trust that they’ll be interesting is much more difficult.
 
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Yes, because the situation then escalated beyond what Mudd had in mind. That’s a far cry from “You’re mad!” / “I’m Mudd!” — the writers really wanted to stretch the character within the constraints of story continuity, to the point where it’s hard to connect the dots.

It's not hard at all. The only difference between them is DSC's Mudd is angry at Lorca personally.


No, you obviously are, since you can’t even imagine people holding strong opinions without viewing them as ”hating” fanatics on the other side of the screen and calling them out as such instead of sticking to discussion. I’ve said elsewhere that all this means in practice is that I’ll enjoy other TV while rewatching an ST show fewer times (once, maybe twice), because as a fan I’m still involved, and that’s all the word fan suggests in the English language: enthusiasm. Etymology is irrelevant to its present-day effect.

The etymology is relevant because it shows that the word 'fanatic' is not the terrible evil insult you apparently think it is. It's just a description of a frame of mind, which generally seems to fit your posts on this subject. Would you be this defensive if someone said you were fanatical about personal hygiene or what kind of sandwich is acceptable?

Sure, one only struggles with emotions while the other plainly wants but can’t have them.

Both struggle with emotions. Sometimes in different ways. Sometimes in very similar ways (Data's emotion chip came with downfalls very similar to Vulcan 'too strong' emotions and Spock was given stories that made him a lot more robotic, too).

One’s status as a person is in question while the other is bridging two worlds.

Spock's status as a person was questioned all the time. Not by Starfleet, I grant you, but TOS was shockingly racist towards Vulcans if you pay attention to what they actually say (especially McCoy, but also often Kirk). Also, the idea that Data *isn't* a bridge between two worlds is kind of funny.

The similarity is only in the vague character template (which I think should be avoided also, but at least this was a step forward).

And a whole lot of details. Sure they developed in somewhat different directions, but the character is still derivative.

And this is the fundamental disagreement here: That's not in any way a step forward. Having a new character so obviously based on an old character is not 'better' than bringing back an old character and exploring their development in new ways. Those are two different approaches. One will work better than the other for *some* stories, or worse than the other for some stories and in many stories they will both be equally acceptable.

I don’t claim that it should be eliminated, just accepted warts and all (which is what DS9 did with the still contemporary TNG), so that writers are discouraged from going back to the well lest it starts to feel outdated eventually. Do you want to be the writer who gave the 2017 revamp to Spock, or one who created a character that’s just as iconic?

That's not the way your posts read and it's not even consistent within this one paragraph. Accepting that legacy element warts and all means accepting that it is always there and can always be used, not 'discouraging writers from going back to the well'. What DSC does with Spock and Pike is no different from what DS9 did with O'Brien and Worf.


It doesn’t matter because any publicity is good publicity. Bringing back the Enterprise generates hype that wouldn’t have been there if they encountered only Captain Unknown of the U.S.S. Brandnew. How will they bring in Spock? Will it be good? Will it feel off? How did they do? You can write him passably and still generate ratings. Creating new, interesting characters and getting the audience to trust that they’ll be interesting is much more difficult.

Any publicity is good publicity is another bs rote phrase that has never actually been true.

Bringing back the Enterprise for the season cliffhanger may be arguable as a safe hype booster but making Spock, Pike and Sarek major characters was obviously far more risk than the show ever needed to take to get the hypothetical boost of people who were curious to see them. All the other spin-offs got those boosts from single episode appearances without ever needing to take the risk of recasting anyone. If DSC was playing in the TOS sandbox for nothing more than 'Safe Hype', we would've seen a 20 minute cameo of Spock being generically smart, using CGI to make the actor look like Leonard Nimoy, not a season long storyline about Spock making peace with his adopted sister.
 
The etymology is relevant because it shows that the word 'fanatic' is not the terrible evil insult you apparently think it is. It's just a description of a frame of mind, which generally seems to fit your posts on this subject. Would you be this defensive if someone said you were fanatical about personal hygiene or what kind of sandwich is acceptable?

Fanaticism often leads to evil. It can also be used as a description of someone’s enthusiasm, but that’s not what you did. You went ahead and slotted me into a category rather than simply stick to the argument. And now you’re continuing with hypothetical personal comments instead of finally skipping this matter, whereas I’m trying to move ahead and prevent moderators from stepping in eventually.

Both struggle with emotions. Sometimes in different ways. Sometimes in very similar ways (Data's emotion chip came with downfalls very similar to Vulcan 'too strong' emotions and Spock was given stories that made him a lot more robotic, too).

Data’s emotion chip came at the very end and all the while he had no emotions while Spock had and suppressed them. I agree there are superficial similarities because of the character template but it was a step forward. Now we have Data and Spock, not just Spock.

Spock's status as a person was questioned all the time. Not by Starfleet, I grant you, but TOS was shockingly racist towards Vulcans if you pay attention to what they actually say (especially McCoy, but also often Kirk). Also, the idea that Data *isn't* a bridge between two worlds is kind of funny.

Data didn’t have a world to bridge to, and the racist comments that were presumably intended as friendly jabs is one example of elements that need to be reimagined in the 21st century. One relies on the legacy even as it becomes embarrassing with the passage of time and has to be given a new coat of paint, rather than leave it behind at that point.

That's not the way your posts read and it's not even consistent within this one paragraph. Accepting that legacy element warts and all means accepting that it is always there and can always be used, not 'discouraging writers from going back to the well'. What DSC does with Spock and Pike is no different from what DS9 did with O'Brien and Worf.

As noted above, “warts and all“ means that sooner or later a subject matter will become too distant and would have to be reimagined for the present day, the way DSC couldn’t go back to “The Cage” exactly. That wasn’t the case when DS9 was fleshing out Worf, O’Brien and the Maquis.

Bringing back the Enterprise for the season cliffhanger may be arguable as a safe hype booster but making Spock, Pike and Sarek major characters was obviously far more risk than the show ever needed to take to get the hypothetical boost of people who were curious to see them. All the other spin-offs got those boosts from single episode appearances without ever needing to take the risk of recasting anyone. If DSC was playing in the TOS sandbox for nothing more than 'Safe Hype', we would've seen a 20 minute cameo of Spock being generically smart, using CGI to make the actor look like Leonard Nimoy, not a season long storyline about Spock making peace with his adopted sister.

It wasn’t as great a risk since DSC was very much following in Abramsverse footsteps, and what’s a one-episode appearance compared to the promise of spending an entire season with Pike and Spock of all the characters we want to see? Season One should’ve developed Burnham so she’d no longer need her famous adoptive family as a framing device — we should’ve been entirely happy with the notion of Captain Saru and more from the other DSC characters. Instead, Season Two just used her as a way of exploring the legendary Spock even further.
 
Fanaticism often leads to evil. It can also be used as a description of someone’s enthusiasm, but that’s not what you did. You went ahead and slotted me into a category rather than simply stick to the argument. And now you’re continuing with hypothetical personal comments instead of finally skipping this matter, whereas I’m trying to move ahead and prevent moderators from stepping in eventually.

I'm explaining my use of the word. If you're now seriously suggesting that I was actually calling you a fanatic about sandwiches then I can only guess that you're not reading what I'm actually saying. Nor do I see anything in this conversation that would lead to moderators getting involved.

Data’s emotion chip came at the very end and all the while he had no emotions while Spock had and suppressed them. I agree there are superficial similarities because of the character template but it was a step forward. Now we have Data and Spock, not just Spock.

Had no emotions (except when he clearly did for plot reasons) and suppressed emotions (except when he couldn't for plot reasons) are functionally the same thing. And it is still not in any way a step forward. It's a step sideways.

Data didn’t have a world to bridge to, and the racist comments that were presumably intended as friendly jabs is one example of elements that need to be reimagined in the 21st century. One relies on the legacy even as it becomes embarrassing with the passage of time and has to be given a new coat of paint, rather than leave it behind at that point.

As noted above, “warts and all“ means that sooner or later a subject matter will become too distant and would have to be reimagined for the present day, the way DSC couldn’t go back to “The Cage” exactly. That wasn’t the case when DS9 was fleshing out Worf, O’Brien and the Maquis.

Data was a bridge between logic and emotion and between technology and humanity. He was the Borg before they did the Borg and he was Spock as reinterpreted for the cyberpunk era.

Also, the Maquis and Worf were tweaked and adjusted just like The Cage was. The only reason O'Brien escaped such things is because he was barely a character on TNG. What DS9 did was the same as what DSC does. Both resulted in discrepancies with earlier shows. Both gave plenty of questionable 'canon' for anyone inclined to obsess over such things. Both did what they thought was best for the story they were telling over the stories that had already been told. Thats what all writers do, in the end, and it's not a bad thing in any way.

what’s a one-episode appearance compared to the promise of spending an entire season with Pike and Spock of all the characters we want to see?

Less risky. It's a lot harder to piss off people in a single episode story about Spock celebrating his legacy than a season long story about Spock as a person. And if they were that desperate for safe hype, they could just follow it up with a different episode starring Kirk. And one starring McCoy. And one starring Uhura. And Sulu. And Chekov. And Dax. Etc. They could've simply conceived a show about safe anthology stories about exclusively pre-existing characters if they wanted to. They chose to make a new ship with new characters and develop those new characters alongside a small handful of returning characters.

Season One should’ve developed Burnham so she’d no longer need her famous adoptive family as a framing device — we should’ve been entirely happy with the notion of Captain Saru and more from the other DSC characters. Instead, Season Two just used her as a way of exploring the legendary Spock even further.

Season one did develop Burnham. And her family is a part of that development. It's not the whole of it, nor does its importance diminish the other development that went into her character, but it shouldn't automatically be disqualified either just because it's connected to Spock.

And we did get more from the other DSC characters (more than I wanted in some cases - I wish they'd do away with evil Georgiou entirely) including Saru who is continuing his story arc towards command, as well as new DSC characters. It's also rather ridiculous to claim that season two only used her to explore Spock when half her story in that season was about her biological mother. You can say what you will about which storylines did or didn't work, what the quality is of various things, how much you liked or disliked any of them, etc, but these things ARE happening in DSC and that is simply undeniable. It is not and never has been the Pike, Spock and Sarek show (DSC characters need not apply).
 
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If you're now seriously suggesting that I was actually calling you a fanatic about sandwiches then I can only guess that you're not reading what I'm actually saying.

You were comparing me to “legacy hating fans”. “Hating” is too strong a word for having an opinion that the franchise should be mostly X and rarely Y, and as noted earlier, I don’t have a problem with legacy, merely its constant reinterpretation for a new day and age in a way that could eventually cement the 23rd century as the baseline era for Star Trek and establish certain must-have elements that detract from new characters and concepts.

Had no emotions (except when he clearly did for plot reasons) and suppressed emotions (except when he couldn't for plot reasons) are functionally the same thing. And it is still not in any way a step forward. It's a step sideways.

Suppressed emotions vs a lack of emotions is not functionally the same to Spock and Data. The viewer knows that Spock feels underneath even as Nimoy is maintaining the usual veneer. It informs our reactions to scenes with his mother and father. Data experiences stimuli and absence thereof, not to mention that his character sees greater growth over the 178 episodes because of Piller’s focus on the primary, ensemble cast.

Data was a bridge between logic and emotion and between technology and humanity. He was the Borg before they did the Borg and he was Spock as reinterpreted for the cyberpunk era.

Data was firmly oriented towards humanity and perceived his origins as limitations to be gladly overcome. His superior abilities would be acknowledged as useful but treated as secondary on his journey to become more human. The Borg, on the other hand, use technology to achieve their vision of perfection, treating their organic and non-organic components merely as complementary means to that end. Spock would remain conflicted until late in life when he achieved a kind of serenity and acceptance. And if Data feels derivative, then what about Burnham as yet another never-discussed influence in Spock’s childhood whose particular twist is that she is a human raised by Vulcans to downplay her emotions?

These characters are both similar and different the way people or societies have similarities and differences, and the idea behind deemphasizing legacy is to give new characters time to grow, rather than detract from that with even half a season spent on Spock’s childhood and Spock having a connection to the ”red angel”. I mean Airiam died in the same episode that tried to examine her character, despite definite attempts in S2 to give the crew more to do.

Also, the Maquis and Worf were tweaked and adjusted just like The Cage was. The only reason O'Brien escaped such things is because he was barely a character on TNG. What DS9 did was the same as what DSC does. Both resulted in discrepancies with earlier shows. Both gave plenty of questionable 'canon' for anyone inclined to obsess over such things. Both did what they thought was best for the story they were telling over the stories that had already been told. Thats what all writers do, in the end, and it's not a bad thing in any way.

TNG wasn’t tweaked to this degree because there was no need to update the show for DS9 viewers, and the fan-serving aspect wasn’t as great because O’Brien hadn’t really been developed as you note and Worf was immediately integrated into the new dynamic, aside from the fact that he hadn’t achieved a comparable status in pop culture. Any inconsistencies one might think of aren’t such that they would disrupt a sense of immersion, the way the Enterprise was reimagined rather than reverently interpolated as before, and then we also have the differences in tone designed to bring these 2250s closer to something that seems like it could be our future, not just one where everything evolved differently after the 1960s. DS9 was still going forward into an unknown future; DSC spent two seasons wedging itself into an established timeline, then slapped on a band-aid even though a lot of the story points could’ve been rationalized away. Let’s see what it does next.

They chose to make a new ship with new characters and develop those new characters alongside a small handful of returning characters.

Very likely because Kirk’s crew at that point would’ve been reserved by the Kelvin Timeline; how else should we view a main character whose backstory seemed that artificially designed to provide a substitute for Spock? Later, of course, with ST4 being called into question, the producers may have felt greater freedom to include other characters also. But still the legacy characters take away precious time in the short seasons from Burnham, Culber, Saru, Stamets, Tilly. Instead, let’s see a bit of Mudd. Let’s see where the Mirror Universe is at. What’s the status of that war with the Klingons, who have to be Klingons only reimagined yet again? Now, how about Spock’s childhood? Some of this, more of that, with incoming characters given little time to just show us something of their off-duty life or personal experiences that do not involve the galaxy.

It's also rather ridiculous to claim that season two only used her to explore Spock when half her story in that season was about her biological mother.

Her mother was revealed only at the very end; before that the season was very much about Spock and the mysterious “red angel”, who could have been anyone at that point.
 
You were comparing me to “legacy hating fans”. “Hating” is too strong a word for having an opinion that the franchise should be mostly X and rarely Y, and as noted earlier, I don’t have a problem with legacy, merely its constant reinterpretation for a new day and age in a way that could eventually cement the 23rd century as the baseline era for Star Trek and establish certain must-have elements that detract from new characters and concepts.

Very well, then. I withdraw the word 'hating' and I assume we can leave this part of the conversation to rest now.

Suppressed emotions vs a lack of emotions is not functionally the same to Spock and Data. The viewer knows that Spock feels underneath even as Nimoy is maintaining the usual veneer. It informs our reactions to scenes with his mother and father. Data experiences stimuli and absence thereof, not to mention that his character sees greater growth over the 178 episodes because of Piller’s focus on the primary, ensemble cast.

Data was firmly oriented towards humanity and perceived his origins as limitations to be gladly overcome. His superior abilities would be acknowledged as useful but treated as secondary on his journey to become more human. The Borg, on the other hand, use technology to achieve their vision of perfection, treating their organic and non-organic components merely as complementary means to that end. Spock would remain conflicted until late in life when he achieved a kind of serenity and acceptance. And if Data feels derivative, then what about Burnham as yet another never-discussed influence in Spock’s childhood whose particular twist is that she is a human raised by Vulcans to downplay her emotions?

Yes, Burnham also has some similarities to Data and Spock. That's a common Trek tradition, as established by Data and Spock, who are still extremely similar characters that are obviously intended to be so in large part so that they can serve the same function in the story.

These characters are both similar and different the way people or societies have similarities and differences, and the idea behind deemphasizing legacy is to give new characters time to grow, rather than detract from that with even half a season spent on Spock’s childhood and Spock having a connection to the ”red angel”. I mean Airiam died in the same episode that tried to examine her character, despite definite attempts in S2 to give the crew more to do.

New characters have time to grow. I agree, Airiam's story was mismanaged, but Saru, Culber, Burnham, Tilly, Georgiou, Tyler and L'Rell have all had plenty of development (relative to the number of episodes the show has had so far) despite the show also using Spock and Pike and Sarek.

TNG wasn’t tweaked to this degree because there was no need to update the show for DS9 viewers, and the fan-serving aspect wasn’t as great because O’Brien hadn’t really been developed as you note and Worf was immediately integrated into the new dynamic, aside from the fact that he hadn’t achieved a comparable status in pop culture. Any inconsistencies one might think of aren’t such that they would disrupt a sense of immersion, the way the Enterprise was reimagined rather than reverently interpolated as before, and then we also have the differences in tone designed to bring these 2250s closer to something that seems like it could be our future, not just one where everything evolved differently after the 1960s. DS9 was still going forward into an unknown future; DSC spent two seasons wedging itself into an established timeline, then slapped on a band-aid even though a lot of the story points could’ve been rationalized away. Let’s see what it does next.

TNG was tweaked to this degree. The tone of the Ferengi is WILDLY altered for DS9. Worf looks physically different. Alexander just totally disappears from Worf's life with no explanation for like 2 years because the writers didn't really want to deal with him (totally undoing his final character arc on TNG). The Maquis lost all their native american spiritual underpinnings. The Federation was fundamentally less trustworthy/utopian.

The fact that it was 'moving forward' does not in any way make these things less significant changes than what DSC has done.

Very likely because Kirk’s crew at that point would’ve been reserved by the Kelvin Timeline; how else should we view a main character whose backstory seemed that artificially designed to provide a substitute for Spock? Later, of course, with ST4 being called into question, the producers may have felt greater freedom to include other characters also. But still the legacy characters take away precious time in the short seasons from Burnham, Culber, Saru, Stamets, Tilly. Instead, let’s see a bit of Mudd. Let’s see where the Mirror Universe is at. What’s the status of that war with the Klingons, who have to be Klingons only reimagined yet again? Now, how about Spock’s childhood? Some of this, more of that, with incoming characters given little time to just show us something of their off-duty life or personal experiences that do not involve the galaxy.

Let's find out about the mycelial network, save the tardigrade, debate Federation standards with straight arrow Georgiou, talk to ghost culber, trek through the jungle of the peacekeeping aliens, play with time crystals, unravel the secrets of Lorca, rescue New Eden, save the data of an ancient alien sphere, unleash Kelpian society, fight an evil computer program that wants to destroy all life in the universe, find out about Burnham's real mother.

All of these things coexist in DSC. The presence of the legacy elements does not prevent them from using original elements. It just somehow seems to prevent you from ever paying any attention to the original elements.

Her mother was revealed only at the very end; before that the season was very much about Spock and the mysterious “red angel”, who could have been anyone at that point.

Her mother was revealed in episode 11 (of 14). Spock himself didn't even show up outside of flashbacks until episode 7.
 
I have no problem with that Kurtzman said here. The example he gives is an obvious one. But updating the appearance of the tech has never been a major complaint. We are dealing with a 1960s conception of the 23rd century and a 1980s conception of the 24th. We are 50 years closer to the 2200s and we are therefore projecting in to the future from a different point of view.

As I pointed out in a Disco thread, we already know how to give paralyzed people who cannot speak the ability to communicate in complete sentences with assistive technology. So the once for yes, twice for no light for Pike is no longer reasonabe. Indeed, other advances in our present century might show that all of his injuries could have been repaired. And long before the 2260s.

This would be an example of what I would think is an acceptable change to canon. The Klingons are a different matter. I dont think Enterprise ever needed to create an in-story explanation for why there was a difference in Klingon appearance. But once they did that, it became a canon event, and there is not the same understandable reason to change it.

I think the Red Angel suit is insanely cool. That is contrary to the otherwise crappy art direction of the show. The problem comes with saying the 2250s Federation invented it. Add interstellar beaming and instantaneous Jump Drive and it starts becoming hard to rationalize this level of tech with what we have seen before. There is again, no such good grounds for the changes as is there is for updating set designs and medical tech.

So, replacing wheel chair Pike with walking, talking Cyborg Pike = acceptable change to canon.
Replacing TNG Klingons with the species that appears in Disco? = Not so much. IMHO.
 
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One thing is killing my eyes. "Children of Mars" is lined between end of Nemesis and end of that century. We all know that okudagrams - LCARS were part of Federation from starship systems to school systems and interfaces. Well I noticed in trailer "Children of Mars" that there are no LCARS-i and sorry I can't forgive that. This looks like Discovery-TOSEnterprise era interface, and that is not possible and has no logic.

24th century United Federation of Planets has one trademark, and one trademark only. That trademark is LCARS.

Why did they do this? #disappointed


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One thing is killing my eyes. "Children of Mars" is lined between end of Nemesis and end of that century. We all know that okudagrams - LCARS were part of Federation from starship systems to school systems and interfaces. Well I noticed in trailer "Children of Mars" that there are no LCARS-i and sorry I can't forgive that. This looks like Discovery-TOSEnterprise era interface, and that is not possible and has no logic.

24th century United Federation of Planets has one trademark, and one trademark only. That trademark is LCARS.

Why did they do this? #disappointed


NoLCARS.jpg
Alright, I was willing to let two postings of this in the Picard forum go, but a third in FoT? Posting the same post in multiple places is considered spam, and could result in a Warning. In the future, please pick one place to make a post.
 
One thing is killing my eyes. "Children of Mars" is lined between end of Nemesis and end of that century. We all know that okudagrams - LCARS were part of Federation from starship systems to school systems and interfaces. Well I noticed in trailer "Children of Mars" that there are no LCARS-i and sorry I can't forgive that. This looks like Discovery-TOSEnterprise era interface, and that is not possible and has no logic.
Of all the things that I consider potential issues with Picard, this is not one of them.
 
As I pointed out in a Disco thread, we already know how to give paralyzed people who cannot speak the ability to communicate in complete sentences with assistive technology. So the once for yes, twice for no light for Pike is no longer reasonabe. Indeed, other advances in our present century might show that all of his injuries could have been repaired. And long before the 2260s.
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It was ridiculous even in the context of the actual episode at the time; as Pike could have blinked out Morse code (or something similar) to communicate; and even in the context of TOS itself; they had universal translator technology - a device which could analyze alien thought patterns and provide the necessary syntax (that's per a line from the character of Kirk himself.)

No, in the case of TOS - "The Menagerie" - all that was discarded to make the audience feel really sorry about the quality of life Pike had, and reinforce that life of Talos IV was his only salvation, despite all the tech available to Starfleet that could have better mitigated his situation.
 
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It was ridiculous even in the context of the actual episode at the time; as Pike could have blinked out Morse code (or something similar) to communicate; and even in the context of TOS itself; they had universal translator technology - a device which could analyze alien thought patterns and provide the necessary syntax (that's per a line from the character of Kirk himself.)

No, in the case of TOS - "The Menagerie" - all that was discarded to make the audience feel really sorry about the quality of life Pike had, and reinforce that life of Talos IV was his only salvation, despite all the tech available to Starfleet that could have better mitigated his situation.

It's been my understanding that the universal translator was retconned from that original explanation (like in later shows how it needs to sample enough of the new language to translate, not scanning brain waves). In any event, the episode with Kirk's explanation was written after "The Menagerie" was.

As far as the rest of Pike's condition, the fact that the accident involved sci-fi radiation does give us the wiggle room to assume that it might've done enough damage that anything beyond the light wasn't usable. I mean, it's interesting to note that, as revisionist happy as DSC is or can seem to be, they didn't change a thing about Pike's fate to be trapped in a chair with a flashing light.
 
It's been my understanding that the universal translator was retconned from that original explanation (like in later shows how it needs to sample enough of the new language to translate, not scanning brain waves). In any event, the episode with Kirk's explanation was written after "The Menagerie" was.

As far as the rest of Pike's condition, the fact that the accident involved sci-fi radiation does give us the wiggle room to assume that it might've done enough damage that anything beyond the light wasn't usable. I mean, it's interesting to note that, as revisionist happy as DSC is or can seem to be, they didn't change a thing about Pike's fate to be trapped in a chair with a flashing light.
Well you never know.maybe the flashing light indicates communication between Pike's mind and a computer able to give voice to his thoughts.:angel:

Also given that there are two more live-action Star Trek series in development beyond Star Trek Picard, and the Section 31 series that'll star Michelle Yeoh; maybe one is a Pike series, and we'll get to see the accident happen at some point...:whistle:;)
 
24th century United Federation of Planets has one trademark, and one trademark only. That trademark is LCARS.

It's iCARS, the Apple OS to LCARS's Windows.

In all seriousness, though. I know LCARS is iconic, but it is kind of a stretch to think there wouldn't be any UI updates to a piece of software after thirty in-universe years (2367 to 2399). Or maybe it's just because these are civilian terminals? Could be we'll see proper LCARS in Starfleet ships. Who knows?
 
It's been my understanding that the universal translator was retconned from that original explanation (like in later shows how it needs to sample enough of the new language to translate, not scanning brain waves). In any event, the episode with Kirk's explanation was written after "The Menagerie" was.

As far as the rest of Pike's condition, the fact that the accident involved sci-fi radiation does give us the wiggle room to assume that it might've done enough damage that anything beyond the light wasn't usable. I mean, it's interesting to note that, as revisionist happy as DSC is or can seem to be, they didn't change a thing about Pike's fate to be trapped in a chair with a flashing light.

It is definitely interesting to see what they keep and what they change. I think the real world trajectory of medicine already has overtaken some of these things. They can keep whatever they like, but the flashing light seems off the table, as is irreparable damage to the body. Not only do they show a cyborg who seems to have exactly the tech to make post-accident Pike able to walk and talk, the forefront of research into the 3D printing of organs in our own time seems to suggest that an entirely rebuilt body would be doable very easily long before the 2250s.
 
Maybe Star Trek should take a leap of faith and try leaving the galaxy for another one that is entirely new. No old enemies or friends. But a galaxy that is totally new.

If the Mycelial network is Universal then it can be used to span two galaxies.
 
Plot wise, that would just be Voyager again.

Not really, seeing as how Voyager was still set in our galaxy, just a different quadrant. We would get to see new aliens and ship types and investigate new alien philosophies along with even possibly studying ancient civilizations that have gone extinct. Civilizations that have gone extinct but are very similar to Earth civilizations that have gone extinct.
Our galaxy, while lacking the usual galactic bulge common to spiral galaxies, it has instead, a highly radioactive region due to a galactic collision in the distant past.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...ove-the-galactic-plane-to-get-back-home/34541

Although there is the Great Barrier, the fact that our galaxy collided with another galaxy in the past does open a means of connecting both galaxies. If both galaxies did collide they would have created galactic dust trails as they moved apart.

Dust trails that species, such as Ripper the Tardigrade, could use to travel between each galaxy. Basically the dust trails could allow give Mycelial Network capable species the ability to travel between each galaxy and possibly even build colonies along the way somehow.
 
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