News Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots & Kills Cinematographer, Wounds Director with Prop Gun

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  1. JirinPanthosa

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    I don’t fault anyone for pursuing their own legal defense to the best of their ability so long as doing so does not cause any further harm. It’s practically a necessity in the current state of the legal system where prosecutors are incentivized more to get a result, any result, than to make sure it’s the correct one.
     
  2. XCV330

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    I am by no means a right-winger, (dues paying Liberal Gun Club member, actually) but believe he's either lying or incredibly deluded. As he would want to avoid any kind of legal issues resulting from what happened, it might have factored into what he said. He should have just kept his mouth shut. But now that he's said it, its in the public forum for discussion. Personally. I do think he's lying. Negligent discharges happen. The things that were setup in movies to prevent that from happening in this case all failed.

    And yes, I know a lot of right-wingers have it in for him. He mocked their orange god for years, and was good at it. They are happier than a dog with a bone that he's being taken down in public, and they don't care that someone innocent had to die to do it. From one very bizarre point of view, Baldwin had enemies who would not necessarily benefit strategically but would still appreciate the downfall of the man being arranged so handily, even at the expense of collateral damage. I'm waiting for that conspiracy theory to pick up speed. Either way, his claim makes no sense.

    But he's almost certainly not the person who loaded that revolver with live rounds, checked it, and handed it him.
     
  3. Trekker4747

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    I agree with most of what you said, but I put an "asterisk" on "he was lying" bit on the interview.

    He probably should have never done that interview and should have known that was, I dunno, like putting the Defendant on the witness stand. It just opened him up to answer questions and to be judged on those answers.

    I'm willing to give him some benefit of the doubt that he didn't intentionally pull the trigger in order to fire even what he believed to be an empty gun. (Meaning he would have only been expecting to hear a "click" when pulling the trigger.) Because it seems that there's a "possibility" that gun could have been fired without the trigger being intentionally pulled all the way if some part of the cock, firing mechanism, or some other aspect of the gun was malfunctioning.

    Should he have checked that the gun was actually unloaded when it was handed to him? Yes.
    Should he have refused to point the gun in the direction of crew even if it wasn't in the script for him to fire it and he thought the gun was unloaded? Yes.

    But, more than all of that it seems the protocols for gun handling on a set were all ignored and -as you said- someone part of that gun-handling group handed him the gun and told him it was "cold."

    There's a lot of blame to go around, including towards Bladwin.

    But, in the end, I stand by my ultimate point.

    This much fuss wouldn't be riled up over this accident if it didn't involve Baldwin.

    And, more so, it was just that.

    An accident.

    ETA:

    You point out in the post at the top of the previous page that had the firearm been defective the investigators would've have found out right away. And, for all we know, they have. But they're not required to tell us everything they know particularly if they're still carrying out an investigation.

    It's hard to say the gun and it's safety mechanisms were in perfect working order simply because the investigators haven't came out and told us they weren't. They still need to finish their investigation.

    Let's let it get carried out. If they tell us the gun was working perfectly, fine, we'll call Baldwin a liar when he says he didn't pull the trigger. (I'd still wonder if it's possible for him to not consciously pull the trigger but still "pull it" with some unconscious action or reflex of the action on the gun was gentle enough it didn't take much to pull the trigger.) There's a lot of unknowns here, so it's just hard to flat out say Baldwin is lying.
     
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  4. JirinPanthosa

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    At this point I think anyone who is not privy to the hard facts of the case is speculating, regardless of whether they like Baldwin or not.
     
  5. the G-man

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    Which is related to celebrity as much, if not more, than politics. See, e.g., Simpson, O.J.
     
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  6. XCV330

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    A movie star shoots someone on set with a set with an antique revolver that can't fire unless you pull back a hammer AND pull the trigger, kills one person seriously injures another, then claims he didn't pull the trigger.

    Yeah, I think people would be talking about this, regardless of what actor was involved. This is at "what the hell happened on that boat between Wagner, Wood, and Walken" level.
     
  7. Owain Taggart

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    Agreed. It's a shocking turn of events no matter who was involved, and I think the specifics of the case have been interesting to follow for just about anyone remotely curious as to how it was allowed to happen.
     
  8. publiusr

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    That was worse I think. This was an accident. The other..perhaps…but more personal
     
  9. Mojochi

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    I honestly don't buy that. Certainly because there's people who don't like him politically, the type of vitriol that we're seeing out there is specifically heinous imho, but this is front page, all eyeballs shit for the duration, no matter who does it... any well known actor.

    In fact, if it was his political polar opposite, a right wing, gun rights advocate, like Clint Eastwood or somebody, you don't think we'd be getting just as much fervor over it?

    I think they'd have drummed together a whole social media movement, with a snappy hashtag, & been marching in the streets of Hollywood, until they banned the use of any type of weapon in showbiz altogether. Bloody Starbucks would be retweeting it.

    As it is, there's still calls to ban weapon use in showbiz over this, but brother are they ever backburnering that shit, because on the whole, it's a black eye to their own.
     
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    To the extent that anyone is backburnering this, I think it has more to do with conflicts between IATSE and the studios than anyone wanting to protect Baldwin.
     
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  11. STEPhon IT

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    I wish a real journalist did the interview instead of one of Bill Clinton's handlers, if I was interviewing Baldwin, I would've asked him, "Would you have done the same ridiculous actions with that gun, if the script was written to aim the gun at your head?"
     
  12. Mojochi

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    Oh yeah. I'd agree it isn't any type of attempt to shield Baldwin himself. It's much more that making a media spectacle out of banning weapon use in films is implicating the entertainment industry itself. Union, studios, media... all in bed with one another, & no one wants to look bad on this... but if it seemed like they could oust or burn down people outside their political leanings by using this, I think we'd be seeing much more focus on it... Baldwin just gets to have that as a bit of a shield. Even having Stephanopolous be the interviewer smells of bias
     
  13. J.T.B.

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    That seems like a reach. He worked for Bill Clinton for five years, he's been a TV news correspondent and anchor for 25 years.
     
  14. STEPhon IT

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    Yeah, keep missing my point!
     
  15. Mojochi

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    I believe the appropriate word is bedfellows
     
  16. STEPhon IT

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    I believe my question is what a real journalist should've asked that murderer but that ^sshole Stephanopoulos gave him all avenues to suggest he didn't pull the trigger and it was an act of God. Disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.
     
  17. J.T.B.

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    You seem to have unusually high standards of who's considered a journalist, and unusually low standards of who's considered a murderer.