Exactly.
We're like ravenous wolves, trying to rip every little bit of flesh off the carcass and gulp it down as fast as we can, only to claim later on that the meal was not as satisfying as it should have been, but of course that is not our fault.
AICN claims Shatner is in Star Trek XI
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Exactly.
We're like ravenous wolves, trying to rip every little bit of flesh off the carcass and gulp it down as fast as we can, only to claim later on that the meal was not as satisfying as it should have been, but of course that is not our fault.
If they can work Shatner in, fine. Great. But as Abrams said ... it better be meaningful, important to the story, and not the "wink, wink" type of appearance that everyone will groan about. Which is a bit of an oxymoron, when you think about it, since practically everything in this film will cause at least one person to groan (a time or two) but I suspect everyone gets my point. 
I've been posting on here for months saying that Shatner was going to be in it. There's no way he's not going to be in it. It was all to get as much publicity as possible. Now that that publicity has died down, it's time to leak announcements and build it up again.
Given how they worked Nimoy into a legitimate role, it's clear that Shatner will do more than appear at the end for a nice re-union.
Given how they worked Nimoy into a legitimate role, it's clear that Shatner will do more than appear at the end for a nice re-union.
I can only hope it's for some kind of voiceover...
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A little off thread, but --
It seems everyone expects (or wants) a Shatner-Nimoy scene, which is different than just expecting (or wanting) Shatner in it.
What if they could work Shatner as Kirk into it, but only if he never meets Nimoy? Would that be satisfying?
I would need to see them together.
A movie bookended by Spock that ends with Spock alone (assuming that's how it would go) would be too melancholy.
But if it started with Spock alone and ended with Kirk and Spock together... Happy ending! (Hopefully, not in more ways than one.)
The Legend of James T. Kirk: Legends NEVER Die!
I think one of the great problems that Generations left us with was that Captain Kirk had died in a way that was meaningless to his character.
Yes Moore and Braga did try to work in the idea that the most important thing to Kirk was making a difference but . . . It didn't feel like he did. I mean sure he saved the people of Veridian III but we didn't know them or really care about them. As far as I'm concerned because I didn't meet the people of Veridian III Kirk died saving nothing but a hell planet full of scaffoldings and rocks.
I think another problem with Kirk's death is he wasn't treated like a legend in his pass. A legend must have a big death. Big. B-I-G. It must be worthy of the legend. If he'd died taking out a dozen Borg cubes I'd be pleased. If he singlehandedly saved the Klingon Empire or Vulcan or the entire goddamn universe I'd be happy.
But he didn't. He died diving for a remote control.
That is not the death of a legend. That's a contrived fictional character's death. Kirk is not like Picard or Sisko and Janeway or Archer. They're just fictional characters. They aren't legends. They aren't cultural phenoms. They won't resonate through the culture for generations and centuries to come.
Kirk will.
If this movie undoes Kirk's death then so much the better. He had a much better exit in The Undiscovered Country. Something more respectful of his legend. A movie about Spock traveling through the centuries to save Kirk is epic. It's worthy of the legend. If the last shot of the movie is Kirk and Spock together again then so much the better.
The legend is complete.
Besides there is a debt of honor owed. Kirk saved Spock's like is TSFS. Spock owes his existence to Kirk's quick-thinking and heroism. Spock owes him. It was a travesty that Spock wasn't there in Generations. But to have his actions not only save Kirk in the past but save him from his fate in Generations.
The debt is even and the legend is satisfied.
I think one of the great problems that Generations left us with was that Captain Kirk had died in a way that was meaningless to his character.
Yes Moore and Braga did try to work in the idea that the most important thing to Kirk was making a difference but . . . It didn't feel like he did. I mean sure he saved the people of Veridian III but we didn't know them or really care about them. As far as I'm concerned because I didn't meet the people of Veridian III Kirk died saving nothing but a hell planet full of scaffoldings and rocks.
I think another problem with Kirk's death is he wasn't treated like a legend in his pass. A legend must have a big death. Big. B-I-G. It must be worthy of the legend. If he'd died taking out a dozen Borg cubes I'd be pleased. If he singlehandedly saved the Klingon Empire or Vulcan or the entire goddamn universe I'd be happy.
But he didn't. He died diving for a remote control.
That is not the death of a legend. That's a contrived fictional character's death. Kirk is not like Picard or Sisko and Janeway or Archer. They're just fictional characters. They aren't legends. They aren't cultural phenoms. They won't resonate through the culture for generations and centuries to come.
Kirk will.
If this movie undoes Kirk's death then so much the better. He had a much better exit in The Undiscovered Country. Something more respectful of his legend. A movie about Spock traveling through the centuries to save Kirk is epic. It's worthy of the legend. If the last shot of the movie is Kirk and Spock together again then so much the better.
The legend is complete.
Besides there is a debt of honor owed. Kirk saved Spock's like is TSFS. Spock owes his existence to Kirk's quick-thinking and heroism. Spock owes him. It was a travesty that Spock wasn't there in Generations. But to have his actions not only save Kirk in the past but save him from his fate in Generations.
The debt is even and the legend is satisfied.
Re: The Legend of James T. Kirk: Legends NEVER Die!
Hey I'm totally down with the Shat being in the movie...he draws a lot of water with me...he's an Icon with a capital 'I'. It'll probably be something like a flashback of him reminiscing ...something in the way ENT ended...but done better. (No disparagement to ENT intended)
Hey I'm totally down with the Shat being in the movie...he draws a lot of water with me...he's an Icon with a capital 'I'. It'll probably be something like a flashback of him reminiscing ...something in the way ENT ended...but done better. (No disparagement to ENT intended)
Zero Hour:
Get a life.
How the hell would you remember something I said years ago? Am I that important in your life?
If I'm not I should be.
For the record I am not posting under different names. The fact is I am dopey + forgot my password. It was easier to sing in under a new/similar name.
Who cares?
Again, I can't stress to you enough. GET A LIFE!!!
Get a life.
How the hell would you remember something I said years ago? Am I that important in your life?
If I'm not I should be.
For the record I am not posting under different names. The fact is I am dopey + forgot my password. It was easier to sing in under a new/similar name.
Who cares?
Again, I can't stress to you enough. GET A LIFE!!!
I seem to have been noticing Shatner looking a bit thinner on "Boston Legal". I'm kind of using that as a barometer as to whether he might be going to play Kirk again.
So far, it looks . . . . possible . . .
So far, it looks . . . . possible . . .
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Further back than that but let's leave discussion on the topic instead of the poster.
Likewise, no need to get personal. Zero Hour having a memory is not synonomous with him having no life, especially when it comes to those who leave an impression.
If you forget your password then just click the "I forgot my password" feature on the log-in page and a new one will be forwarded to your e-mail account, then you don't have to constantly go through the process of re-registering.
He should play Admiral Kirk and be for the most part be seated and use his cunning,guile,wisdom,smarts and intelligence to save the day...
He should portray sagacity and wisdom in the role.
The Federation went back and recovered the corpse of their fallen Hero, encased it in some crystaline substance and Shatner will return in STXI to reprise the role of said corpse.
I don't get this line of reasoning. What do you think, that people in the 23rd century don't grow old?
If, in fact, Samuel T. Cogley's prediction of a Boston Legal type moment with Kirk and Spock at the end of the movie is correct, why would Kirk need to look like anything other than what Shatner does?
Re: The Legend of James T. Kirk: Legends NEVER Die!
I agree that the whole generations thing wasn't very good. I thought it looked kinda tacked on, personally. Something like they needed one more action sequence and all they could come up with was dropping a bridge on Kirk. He didn't need to be there at all.
But I don't think he's that much bigger than other movie or TV heros. Jack Sparrow is a funb character, but if he dies a stupid death, it would change nothing -- Jack Sparrow is still the same pirate he'd have been before the stupid death.
What I don't want is for Trek XI to be a fanwank of Generations. I don't want them to spend more than 15 minutes pressing crtl-alt-del on an event in another movie. This is about the TOS series before the events of generations. Trying to mess around with movie timelines for other movies seems like a dead weight. Especially since the mainstreamers have likely never seen a TNG movie and have no idea about the bridge drop of doom. Why weigh down the heroism of young kirk for a silly event 50 years later?
I agree that the whole generations thing wasn't very good. I thought it looked kinda tacked on, personally. Something like they needed one more action sequence and all they could come up with was dropping a bridge on Kirk. He didn't need to be there at all.
But I don't think he's that much bigger than other movie or TV heros. Jack Sparrow is a funb character, but if he dies a stupid death, it would change nothing -- Jack Sparrow is still the same pirate he'd have been before the stupid death.
What I don't want is for Trek XI to be a fanwank of Generations. I don't want them to spend more than 15 minutes pressing crtl-alt-del on an event in another movie. This is about the TOS series before the events of generations. Trying to mess around with movie timelines for other movies seems like a dead weight. Especially since the mainstreamers have likely never seen a TNG movie and have no idea about the bridge drop of doom. Why weigh down the heroism of young kirk for a silly event 50 years later?
Re: The Legend of James T. Kirk: Legends NEVER Die!
I have nothing else to say. I stand by my statement that Kirk is a legend and legend's shouldn't die shitty deaths. I mean he ain't Jack Sparrow or Jack Bauer or Jack B Nimble he's James T. Kirk. 'nuff said.
I have nothing else to say. I stand by my statement that Kirk is a legend and legend's shouldn't die shitty deaths. I mean he ain't Jack Sparrow or Jack Bauer or Jack B Nimble he's James T. Kirk. 'nuff said.
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