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She also used two lightsabers. Clearly, it was not one of the very first missions. Mid-S3 or later.
She only had one in the first flashback. She had two later on which was a season 7 episode.
Given the Twilek guerilla fighters in the background, I think this was supposed to be Ryloth (late S1). The problem is that early Ahsoka's costume isn't something you can actually put a teen girl in and then put her on television, especially if you want her to move around and do action. Going with the Tales costume is a perfectly happy medium for me.
Well, while this episode was at least entertaining (a first for this series), the writing was still deeply muddled.
The entire Anakin "near death experience" just fundamentally makes no sense. It was fun to watch and I'm sure super fans were delighted to see live-action firsts like Anakin and Ahsoka together, glimpses of live-action Ahsoka in the Clone Wars and even the live-action debut of Anakin's cartoon outfit, they fundamentally just don't make any sense.
What was the "lesson" Ahsoka was supposed to learn, exactly? What wisdom did Anakin actually impart? Nothing. Not a damn thing.
The whole point was Ahsoka declaring she "wanted to live." Uh, yeah, no shit. Of course she wanted to live. It's not like we ever thought otherwise. It's not like she learned anything in the vision that gave her a new perspective or anything. It's not like she was tempted by anything to stay in the netherworld and not go back.
"I want to live." Yeah, we know. So, ultimately, it was just a huge waste of time. A fun waste of time, but basically meaningless.
The whale business was cute and, dear god, at least Rosario Dawson finally decided to lighten up with her performance and let Ahsoka smile for a change.
Until that point, the Barbie actress who was playing young Ahsoka was acting circles around her. It was embarrassing to have flashback Ahsoka so much more interesting and compelling than the main version.
As usual, MEW's performance continues to be awful, but at least it looks like Hera will be sitting out the rest of the series, unless she charges to the rescue at the end.
With the main plot put on hold for the week, the show only has three episodes to actually do something. But since Thrawn is being set-up as the big bad for the movie, it looks like this entire series will just be a building block to another story we have to tune in later to watch. Sigh. And so it will likely prove to be an utterly dispensable waste of time.
But, hey, at least this episode was better than the others!
The entire Anakin "near death experience" just fundamentally makes no sense. It was fun to watch and I'm sure super fans were delighted to see live-action firsts like Anakin and Ahsoka together, glimpses of live-action Ahsoka in the Clone Wars and even the live-action debut of Anakin's cartoon outfit, they fundamentally just don't make any sense.
What was the "lesson" Ahsoka was supposed to learn, exactly? What wisdom did Anakin actually impart? Nothing. Not a damn thing.
The whole point was Ahsoka declaring she "wanted to live." Uh, yeah, no shit. Of course she wanted to live. It's not like we ever thought otherwise. It's not like she learned anything in the vision that gave her a new perspective or anything. It's not like she was tempted by anything to stay in the netherworld and not go back.
"I want to live." Yeah, we know. So, ultimately, it was just a huge waste of time. A fun waste of time, but basically meaningless.
The whale business was cute and, dear god, at least Rosario Dawson finally decided to lighten up with her performance and let Ahsoka smile for a change.
Until that point, the Barbie actress who was playing young Ahsoka was acting circles around her. It was embarrassing to have flashback Ahsoka so much more interesting and compelling than the main version.
As usual, MEW's performance continues to be awful, but at least it looks like Hera will be sitting out the rest of the series, unless she charges to the rescue at the end.
With the main plot put on hold for the week, the show only has three episodes to actually do something. But since Thrawn is being set-up as the big bad for the movie, it looks like this entire series will just be a building block to another story we have to tune in later to watch. Sigh. And so it will likely prove to be an utterly dispensable waste of time.
But, hey, at least this episode was better than the others!
Well that was an ok episode. I liked seeing Hayden Christensen back as Anakin, although I wish they had spent a bit of their budget to have the Clone Wars flashback take place somewhere besides a smokey void, and then a smokey void with vague building shapes. I have absolutely no idea what "lesson" Ahsoka was supposed to learn, but I'm fine with the lesson just being an excuse for some Anakin stuff. Really didn't like Hera's brat, but luckily the show isn't copying Obi-Wan and making the precocious kid the main character.
The New Republic is really laughably incompetent at this point, its hilarious that they sent three capital ships out because a general took half a dozen willing X-Wing pilots out on a search that the morons in charge thought, at worst, would accomplish nothing. The fact that the general had discovered and broken a confirmed imperial sleeper agent/smuggler ring on Corellia very recently apparently didn't give her any leeway at all, and apparently wasting three big ships to go chase her was also considered a good use of resources. No wonder the New Republic would almost completely disarm and then get their capital blown up by the First Order, it hasn't even been a decade since the New Republic formed and they're already more useless, and almost as filled with corruption, as the Old Republic was near its end. I can't imagine they'll be any better in the 20+ years between Ahsoka and Episode VII.
The space whales are still as stupid today as they were when they were introduced, but I 100% expected them to show up, especially since they were mentioned earlier. I wonder if that stupid Force Owl is going to show up.
Overall I liked the episode well enough. It wasn't mind blowing (Anakin appearing might have hit harder if we hadn't already seen him be one of the few good parts of Obi-Wan), but it was decent and at least the plot has moved forward.
The New Republic is really laughably incompetent at this point, its hilarious that they sent three capital ships out because a general took half a dozen willing X-Wing pilots out on a search that the morons in charge thought, at worst, would accomplish nothing. The fact that the general had discovered and broken a confirmed imperial sleeper agent/smuggler ring on Corellia very recently apparently didn't give her any leeway at all, and apparently wasting three big ships to go chase her was also considered a good use of resources. No wonder the New Republic would almost completely disarm and then get their capital blown up by the First Order, it hasn't even been a decade since the New Republic formed and they're already more useless, and almost as filled with corruption, as the Old Republic was near its end. I can't imagine they'll be any better in the 20+ years between Ahsoka and Episode VII.
The space whales are still as stupid today as they were when they were introduced, but I 100% expected them to show up, especially since they were mentioned earlier. I wonder if that stupid Force Owl is going to show up.
Overall I liked the episode well enough. It wasn't mind blowing (Anakin appearing might have hit harder if we hadn't already seen him be one of the few good parts of Obi-Wan), but it was decent and at least the plot has moved forward.
Yeah, the dialogue made little sense if you can supress the Anakin fanservice for a moment and look at the actual scene and story. Ahsoka never displayed any inclination to end her life or not wanting to live, so that statement seemed kinda
What i took from the entire ordeal was Anakin ( if that really was Anakin at all, which i doubt) testing her and trying to make her lose her way by instilling aggression anbd where that leads we all know by heart.Only when she rejects this and throws the Lightsaber away ( nice callback to Luke though) does Anakin lighten up and return to his former, non Darth Anakin, self - apparently Ahsoka has passed the test and is now a full blown Jedi.
I thought Anakin's lesson was actually pretty clear, all things considered. Ahsoka is afraid. Afraid of being a teacher, principally. A mentor. Afraid that what she learned in her own mentorship is almost purely destructive and traumatic. Afraid that she didn't learn to be a Jedi, but a soldier. And, worse, that she learned how to be that soldier from a man who proved to be among the biggest monsters in the galaxy.
As Anakin says to her, all of that is in her. It's in her, because it was in Anakin and he taught her everything she knows. How can she possibly be a Jedi, let alone a mentor, when all she knows is killing and destruction? (A callback to Baylan's line last week where he accuses her of exactly that, probably using his powers to read her the same way he did Sabine.)
Even her last lesson with Anakin turns into a lightsaber duel, for heaven's sake. And then we see her flashbacks, first one where she is full of compassion and yet a child soldier. Then one later, when she's become the warrior she fears defines her. Anakin challenges whether she even wants a padawan, because being a teacher can be such a drag. And she is confronted by the dark side version of Anakin, who is everything she fears. Not because of the threat Vader posed, but because she learned at his side and how much of that darkness came along with the lessons?
But Ahsoka is more than a soldier, in the same way that Anakin is more than a monster. Nobody is just one thing, except maybe Palpatine who is EVIL. Her choice is between life and death. Literal life and literal death, yes. But also metaphorical life and death. She can CHOOSE the path of the soldier. Or she can choose the path of the Jedi. Because that is also very much in her, as it was in Anakin. When she "defeats" Vader at the climax, her eyes turn Sith. She fears that the dark is in her as it was in her master. But she lays down her weapon. She chooses life.
And the Ahsoka who emerges from the water is changed. Ahsoka the Gray has fallen, and Ahsoka the White arrives. The character is lighter, happier, more playful. She is no longer the repressed, controlled character we've seen since her Mandalorian debut. She has seemingly reclaimed a little bit more of her Rebels persona. She is still a force to be reckoned with, but she has let go of the shadow of her past (see the episode's title, The Shadow Warrior). She is now free to be herself, and to be a better mentor to Sabine for it. Sabine is finally ready to be an apprentice, but now Ahsoka is also ready to be a teacher.
Even her final plan is very Anakin and very unlike the controlled, measured style she's been using. Bold, possibly crazy, and almost ridiculously unlikely to work. She has embraced her master for who he is, and in doing so has let her fears of what that makes her slide away.
As Anakin says to her, all of that is in her. It's in her, because it was in Anakin and he taught her everything she knows. How can she possibly be a Jedi, let alone a mentor, when all she knows is killing and destruction? (A callback to Baylan's line last week where he accuses her of exactly that, probably using his powers to read her the same way he did Sabine.)
Even her last lesson with Anakin turns into a lightsaber duel, for heaven's sake. And then we see her flashbacks, first one where she is full of compassion and yet a child soldier. Then one later, when she's become the warrior she fears defines her. Anakin challenges whether she even wants a padawan, because being a teacher can be such a drag. And she is confronted by the dark side version of Anakin, who is everything she fears. Not because of the threat Vader posed, but because she learned at his side and how much of that darkness came along with the lessons?
But Ahsoka is more than a soldier, in the same way that Anakin is more than a monster. Nobody is just one thing, except maybe Palpatine who is EVIL. Her choice is between life and death. Literal life and literal death, yes. But also metaphorical life and death. She can CHOOSE the path of the soldier. Or she can choose the path of the Jedi. Because that is also very much in her, as it was in Anakin. When she "defeats" Vader at the climax, her eyes turn Sith. She fears that the dark is in her as it was in her master. But she lays down her weapon. She chooses life.
And the Ahsoka who emerges from the water is changed. Ahsoka the Gray has fallen, and Ahsoka the White arrives. The character is lighter, happier, more playful. She is no longer the repressed, controlled character we've seen since her Mandalorian debut. She has seemingly reclaimed a little bit more of her Rebels persona. She is still a force to be reckoned with, but she has let go of the shadow of her past (see the episode's title, The Shadow Warrior). She is now free to be herself, and to be a better mentor to Sabine for it. Sabine is finally ready to be an apprentice, but now Ahsoka is also ready to be a teacher.
Even her final plan is very Anakin and very unlike the controlled, measured style she's been using. Bold, possibly crazy, and almost ridiculously unlikely to work. She has embraced her master for who he is, and in doing so has let her fears of what that makes her slide away.
Very well said. I was trying to understand what exactly the lesson was. I knew Dave would have an actual lesson in there and not just have Anakin there for fan service, but I was struggling to articulate what it was. So well done sir, I thank you!
I'm pretty sure that was Anakin. Lines like "I've heard that before" from when Ashoka refused to fight him and not knowing about the Siege of Mandalore make it him. I don't this "Son of Mantis" stuff. That's just too convoluted
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they probably didn't have the budget to animate the droids. Even the land craft were in shadows. I think the lesson was to get Ashoka out of her slump. She's always felt since coming to live action that she was partly depressed and didn't really care if she lived or died during missions. Anakin was trying to trying to motivate her.
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It’s just a Force vision anyway, so that could account for a minor “inaccuracy” like this.
That's a good analysis, thanks. Also missed that little eye detail of her turning Sith for a second, really awesome.
It's easy to forget, because we've spent so much time with this character, but chronologically this is the first time she's been the focus character since her confrontation with Vader on Malachor. Since she confirmed beyond any shadow that Vader was Anakin.
That would change a person. Learning that the person you're closest to, who has mentored and taught you, became the dark lord? Betrayed everything he stood for? Killed almost everyone you'd ever met?
And this has been set up since they brought her to live action. Her more controlled demeanor. Her absolute refusal to train Grogu because of his attachment to Din. Learning that she tried to train Sabine and it didn't work out. Hell, just last week, both in the conversation with Baylan during the fight, but also the way she lashed out when she thought Sabine had been killed by Shin.
Even the line in the second episode, about being ready to be a master or apprentice. Sure, Sabine needed to commit and really go for it. But it clearly wasn't just a Sabine problem. Ahsoka has needed to be ready to be a master as well.
I mean, this is a nice analysis, but it's just not in the text.
But you shouldn't need someone on the internet to explain it to you. It should be pretty clear.
But it wasn't. At all.
I mean that's what I got out of it too....Plus she WANTS to live....YMMV but it didn't seem that hard to understand.....to me
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