Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Set Harth]

Yeah, we knew she survived (Ezra didn't), but that doesn't mean she would have if not for the events we didn't see until later.

I didn't know she survived. Her image was so far off and washed out looking, it almost came off as ghostly. Then Filoni gaslit us and even went so far as to put out pictures where she looked like she was traveling through an underworld out of Greek myth. Finally, her complete absence during season 3 felt like it would have been a plot hole under the assumption that she had survived.

 

[Dee1891]

Why is it so important to Baylan Skoll and Morgan Elsbeth to find Thrawn? One is a powerful Force user and the other is the last of the Nightsisters of Dathomir (which was not indicated in "The Mandalorian"), who were also Force sensitive. Yet, both seek the likes of Thrawn, who was definitely not a Force user. So, what do they want with him? Or do they want something, where he is located?

 

[DigificWriter]

Yeah, we knew she survived, but that doesn't mean she would have if not for the events we didn't see until later.

I disagree, and I watched Twilight of the Apprentice and A World Between Worlds within the last week and a half, so everything that happened in those two episodes is fresh in my mind.

 

[fireproof78]

she was traveling through an underworld out of Greek myth.

Where's that story? I'd watch that.

 

[Tarek71]

You definitely don't understand how the World Between Worlds works. Pulling someone out of their proper place and time doesn't create a whole new reality; it just changes the relevant circumstances of the specific event being observed and interfered with.

Despite Dave Filoni's public trolling, Ahsoka always survived her duel with Vader, as evidenced by the fact that we almost immediately see her walking deeper into the Malachor temple after the scene cuts away from her and Vader fighting. Ezra pulling her into the World Between Worlds resolved the duel instantly because she was no longer physically inside the temple for Vader to continue fighting, but his actions didn't cause her to survive that fight when she otherwise would have died during it.

Someone pulling Anakin from Palpatine's office wouldn't result in Mace Windu killing Palpatine; it would result in Mace dying without Anakin being involved. Subsequent history would be different insofar as Anakin falling to the Dark Side in that specific moment, but we wouldn't be existing in some alternate reality where his fall never happened; it would just happen differently.

Yes, Ahsoka talks Ezra out of saving Kanan by saying that the Ghost crew wouldn't have survived without his sacrifice, but that's not something she has any way of verifying. Ezra believes her, but that doesn't mean she was correct, and what we actually see depicted onscreen indicates that she wasn't.

It's whatever they say it is. If they decided to do this, and change history, what exactly are you going to say to the showrunner? They arent allowed to do that? They are allowed to do that.

In any case, there is no misunderstanding of the WBW here. If you can pull people out of time, you can definitely change events. That doesnt even make sense to say otherwise. If you kill Anakin as a child, there is no rise, fall and redemption of Anakin. If you pull Palpatine out of that room and kill him, it changes events. Maybe Tarkin and the military would go ahea with Order 66 anyway, and overthrow the Republic in a coup. Obviously any change done would be done with an eye on establishing that there is still a major villain threat to deal with.

If you can physically cross over into past events, there is no way to argue that you cannot change them. What would stop Elder Luke from walking into that thrown room and killing younger Palpatine? You can say it would open up a can worms, butterfly effects, create other problems, etc, but you cant say you couldnt change events

 

[Tarek71]

Moreover; that's wasn't actually Kanan, it was a trap set by Sidious. An illusion, nothing more. Had he stuck his hand in there, it would have been game over for everyone.

Hence, changing history.

 

[Reverend]

Guys, it's not rocket surgery, it's simple logic. We saw Ahsoka at the end of TotA, therefore she survived and always did, we just didn't get to see how until later. Nothing was changed, only averted. There's no alternate timelines here. Always in motion is the future.

Hence, changing history.

It's not history if it hasn't happened yet. Sidious was obviously reaching out from the time Ezra just left.

 

[Tarek71]

It's not history if it hasn't happened yet. Sidious was obviously reaching out from the time Ezra just left.

You said "game over for everyone" if he reaches in there. So if he did, that would have changed events. Unless you think it being "game over for everyone" is not different from what happened. Clearly you think that would have changed the events that we saw. There is no way to get around this. If you can physically enter past events, you can change them.

 

[DigificWriter]

If you can pull people out of time, you can definitely change events

No, you can't, because the World Between Worlds is not a device for time travel.

We saw Ahsoka at the end of TotA, therefore she survived and always did

Exactly.

I disagree that Ezra pulling her into the World Between Worlds was always the mechanism by which she survived, though.

 

[Set Harth]

No, you can't, because the World Between Worlds is not a device for time travel.

Why not?

 

[Ithekro]

As for the idea that the far away galaxy might be our own Milky Way, it's not likely, but there is a film that depicts that as a possibility. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. E.T. recognizes Yoda, or at least his species and references him as "Home". Later in The Phantom Menace, we see some of E.T.'s species in the Senate of the Galactic Republic.

For the World Between Worlds, we have to ask what Palpatine would do with it if he had managed to gain entry via Ezra?

It is speculated that we will get more of TWBWs in Ahsoka, so either Ezra and Thrawn have managed to find a way into it, or Ahsoka recounts her time in it after her rescue by Ezra and we get a sequence of her seeing the possible outcomes with Anakin.

As for Hera, I can guess she'll go AWOL again with the Ghost. "Once a Rebel always a Rebel."

It is obvious that the villains have to succeed here. They need to get Thrawn back for the story to continue. Or at the very least they need to get to Thrawn, and be actively working to get back. The question is, how are Ahsoka and Hera supposed to give chase to the Eye of Sion? I don't know if Ahsoka's T6 can make that sort of jump. It's a Jedi ship, so maybe, but I don't know. The Ghost...might be able to do that. Hera's got a minor rivalry with Han Solo over who has the better ship between the Ghost and the Millenium Falcon. So maybe it is fast enough to make it.

Speculation for later: Could this far away Galaxy be where the kids in the upcoming Skeleton Crew end up? Ahsoka gives us a taste of the place, but the next series goes and explores it.

 

[DigificWriter]

Why not?

Ask Dave Filoni.

He's the one who explicitly stated that the WBW isn't time travel.

 

[Set Harth]

When 2014 Thanos showed up on 2023 Earth, was it time travel?

 

[Jedi Marso]

I disagree, and I watched Twilight of the Apprentice and A World Between Worlds within the last week and a half, so everything that happened in those two episodes is fresh in my mind.

Well you are certainly free to disagree. How recently you watched them is completely irrelevant to me. I've watched the series multiple times.

 

[Ithekro]

Another question I have that is plot related. When Hera noticed the hyperdrive core being taken away, the foreman Weaver said they had rebuilt nine of these cores. The Eye of Sion used seven cores. Where were the other two cores going? Fixing up the Eclipse? Going to the Unknown Regions as examples for other Santhe/Sienar or Kuat Engineering subsidiary operations (like Kuat-Entralla Engineering, Sienar-Jaemus Fleet Systems, or the older Rothana Heavy Engineering) to retool for larger starships?

 

[Reverend]

Another question I have that is plot related. When Hera noticed the hyperdrive core being taken away, the foreman Weaver said they had rebuilt nine of these cores. The Eye of Sion used seven cores. Where were the other two cores going? Fixing up the Eclipse? Going to the Unknown Regions as examples for other Santhe/Sienar or Kuat Engineering subsidiary operations (like Kuat-Entralla Engineering, Sienar-Jaemus Fleet Systems, or the older Rothana Heavy Engineering) to retool for larger starships?

Possibly. Or possibly just going where they were all officially supposed to go. It would be a little too suspicious and hard to obfuscate if *nothing* they send out actually turned up at any actual NR project, even if said project is a super-tanker style cargo ship owned by the very shareholders taking backhanders from the Remnant.

That said, I'm not sure if he meant all nine were SSD cores, or just that this 9th one was an SSD and most of the others were refurbs from ISDs. It's not like all seven cores had to have been procured from this operation. There could be similar setups at Kuat, Fondor & Ringo Vinda. We know at least one of them was just lying around on Jakku.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Why is it so important to Baylan Skoll and Morgan Elsbeth to find Thrawn? One is a powerful Force user and the other is the last of the Nightsisters of Dathomir (which was not indicated in "The Mandalorian"), who were also Force sensitive. Yet, both seek the likes of Thrawn, who was definitely not a Force user. So, what do they want with him? Or do they want something, where he is located?

This is a bit of a weak plot point. Morgan was also an Imperial governor, so she may want Thrawn due to his strategic brilliance in order to unify the various Imperial warlords and get the empire back on track. This is based on what we learned of her character in the Mandalorian ep 13.

As for Baylan and his new apprentice, I suspect these are simply the bad guys needed to make this into a more compelling story to watch. A story about Jedi needs bad Jedi with the Force and lightsabers. Without them, and the Inquisitor, Ahsoka basically rolls in hot and mops up this entire effort on her own, with the need for anyone's help. In fact, without Baylan, Morgan just jets on to her NR prison or wherever she was headed in cuffs at the beginning- roll credits. Baylan starts out being mentioned as a mercenary, but that makes almost zero sense given his powers.

 

[Saul]

OK, Here's my theory about Marrok: He's a goon. A mid-level boss fight waiting to happen. Boba Fett in tESB. Nothing more

Why is everyone so concerned with Marrok's possible secret identity? Has it occurred to anyone that he's just a leftover Inquisitor who needed a job, and Morgan Elsbeth was hiring evildoers? There doesn't need to be some shocking secret hiding behind the mask- sometimes saber fodder is just saber fodder. Marrok is just a bad guy going somewhere to die.

I totally agree with you guys. I was just playing along. He's just a cool looking character that has to be knocked off eventually since it can't be a main character. I guess it's just the nature of TV and movies these days that everyone has to be someone. I don't think Marrok is even been set up as that though. First he needs to be cut in half and disappear for a few years and be found in a cave with robotic legs. Then he'll be someone!

 

[fireproof78]

This is a bit of a weak plot point. Morgan was also an Imperial governor, so she may want Thrawn due to his strategic brilliance in order to unify the various Imperial warlords and get the empire back on track. This is based on what we learned of her character in the Mandalorian ep 13.

I mean, she is a being seeking to increase her power in these uncertain times, and attracts others to maintain it.

This really isn't hard to suss out. She serves Thrawn, because it maintains her own power base if she wants to move past that one planet. Gideon seemed perfectly content to keep increasing his power base, regardless of the Shadow Council's goals.

Do not underestimate the quest for power. It has corrupted far more in human history that people realize.

 

[Reverend]

Baylan starts out being mentioned as a mercenary, but that makes almost zero sense given his powers.

How's that? I mean he still needs to eat just like everyone else, and it's probably been very easy work so far for a person of his talents and flexible morality. Don't forget; Ronin were a real thing for a reason. Samurai were nobles with exactly one skillset, which means 1) they needed a patron or employer to be able to feed themselves, and 2) they were accustomed to a certain type of lifestyle. When their Shogun got knocked off, that left them actively hunting for work.

Also, we don't know what his actual motivations and long term plans are here, but from what he said in the previous episode, he believes this quest will lead him and his apprentice to some kind of vast power.