Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Crewman6]

I guess I'm not the only who didn't care for the episode. LOL!!!

Well, other than the utterly cringey recycling of dialogue from ANH, I almost liked the training scene in the beginning. I thought it was neat using wooden practice sabers and the scene almost had something interesting to say about the Force...but not really.

As for the rest: bleh. Ranging from terrible (Hera's zoom call with the senate) to simply mediocre (the long space battle.)

What's particularly weak about this show is the pacing. The plot is moving at an utter crawl. There's no reason whatsoever the show couldn't have gotten to this exact same point in one episode.

 

[Set Harth]

What is going on with Hera's eyes?

 

[The Wormhole]

Its not a stargate.. but basically a big engine..

They appear to be playing up some Stargate similarities. Unless I'm just staring really hard at the fact they currently only have six of the seven hyperdrive cores they need.

 

[Tosk]

What is going on with Hera's eyes?

Can you be more specific? They're green...beyond that I've got nothing.

 

[Reverend]

They appear to be playing up some Stargate similarities. Unless I'm just staring really hard at the fact they currently only have six of the seven hyperdrive cores they need.

Eh . . . I honestly doubt anyone had Stargate in mind while doing this. It's just a massively scaled up hyperdrive ring, which has been around since AotC. Some have two engines, some have six with three each side, some have them spaced out evenly in three pairs. I think the seventh is just an aesthetic choice so the final module under construction can be symmetrical.
Besides, it's not meant to open a portal to another place, it's actually going to travel there.

All that said, there is a garish amount of ostentatious gold decoration all over the interior design, so maybe it was one somebody's mind . . .

Can you be more specific? They're green...beyond that I've got nothing.

In fairness, the contacts are a bit of a pale green, which in certain shots seems to wash out and make her pupils look a little dilated. Not a huge deal though.

 

[Set Harth]

Can you be more specific? They're green...beyond that I've got nothing.

To be fair the problem could be my own eyes.

 

[DigificWriter]

Its whatever the writers say it is. But beyond that, if Ahsoka can be saved, than other changes seem possible.

You definitely don't understand how the World Between Worlds works. Pulling someone out of their proper place and time doesn't create a whole new reality; it just changes the relevant circumstances of the specific event being observed and interfered with.

Despite Dave Filoni's public trolling, Ahsoka always survived her duel with Vader, as evidenced by the fact that we almost immediately see her walking deeper into the Malachor temple after the scene cuts away from her and Vader fighting. Ezra pulling her into the World Between Worlds resolved the duel instantly because she was no longer physically inside the temple for Vader to continue fighting, but his actions didn't cause her to survive that fight when she otherwise would have died during it.

Someone pulling Anakin from Palpatine's office wouldn't result in Mace Windu killing Palpatine; it would result in Mace dying without Anakin being involved. Subsequent history would be different insofar as Anakin falling to the Dark Side in that specific moment, but we wouldn't be existing in some alternate reality where his fall never happened; it would just happen differently.

Yes, Ahsoka talks Ezra out of saving Kanan by saying that the Ghost crew wouldn't have survived without his sacrifice, but that's not something she has any way of verifying. Ezra believes her, but that doesn't mean she was correct, and what we actually see depicted onscreen indicates that she wasn't.

 

[Reverend]

Yes, Ahsoka talks Ezra out of saving Kanan by saying that the Ghost crew wouldn't have survived without his sacrifice, but that's not something she has any way of verifying. Ezra believes her, but that doesn't mean she was correct, and what we actually see depicted onscreen indicates that she wasn't.

Moreover; that's wasn't actually Kanan, it was a trap set by Sidious. An illusion, nothing more. Had he stuck his hand in there, it would have been game over for everyone.

 

[Crewman6]

Someone pulling Anakin from Palpatine's office wouldn't result in Mace Windu killing Palpatine; it would result in Mace dying without Anakin being involved. Subsequent history would be different insofar as Anakin falling to the Dark Side in that specific moment, but we wouldn't be existing in some alternate reality where his fall never happened; it would just happen differently.

No. Mace would have won. The story doesn't work unless Anakin is directly responsible for Palp winning, the Jedi falling and the rise of the Empire. If Palps was going to win anyway, Anakin's choice (and, by extension, the entire story) is meaningless.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Isn’t that the tradition of these shows? Book of Boba Fett had 2 episodes about the Mandalorian.

BOBF was a badass idea that ran totally off the rails when they reneged on the concept of Boba Fett taking Jabba's seat. Instead, they neutered him and tried to turn him into a touchy-feely good guy, complete with a bunch of Vespa riding henchmen. The two Mandalorian episodes are pretty much the only ones worth watching in that mess.

BOBF should have been an all-out turf war for Jabba's old territory, and damn the fine citizens of Tatooine, caught in the crossfire. It should have been Star Wars: Underworld.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Maybe Marrok is Jacen from the future.

Why is everyone so concerned with Marrok's possible secret identity? Has it occurred to anyone that he's just a leftover Inquisitor who needed a job, and Morgan Elsbeth was hiring evildoers? There doesn't need to be some shocking secret hiding behind the mask- sometimes saber fodder is just saber fodder. Marrok is just a bad guy going somewhere to die.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I’m just saying I’m not a fan of it. I don’t get the big fuss.
I just like the idea of putting some limitations of some tech. Makes them more interesting

I'm with you on this. Plus seeing ships in formation in hyperspace. If anything they should be shadows behind the maelstrom, like how Grogu saw the Purgil.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Fun little detail I caught in the descriptive audio track; the wooden practice swords are referred to as "bokken sabers". "Bokken" literally just means "wooden sword" in Japanese, though more relevantly is the term used for just such training implements in kendo and kenjutsu in general. Nice way to distinguish them from actual training sabres.

I trained with these in Aikido and Shinkendo, they come in various weights and although they are principally practice weapons, a stout bokken is a weapon in its own right. Anyone who has accidentally been clocked with one in the dojo can attest to that. Legend has it that Musashi Miyamoto fought his most famous duel using a bokken he carved from a boat-oar.

Bokken are not to be confused with shinai, another form of practice sword made from bamboo. Bokken are solid wood and you don't hit your practice partner with them, although you do occasionally have solid bokken-to-bokken contact. Shinai are used in kendo fencing, striking opponents wearing practice armor. Shinai are somewhat flexible.

I also wondered at the dojo commands Huyang was giving. They certainly had a Japanese ring to them, but not being at all knowledgeable in spoken Japanese, my attempts to translate haven't yielding anything. Google translate is no help, and skimming through lists of Kendo dojo commands doesn't seem to show up anything similar. So it's probably not Japanese at all, just something they made up to sound Japanese.

Definitely made to sound Japanese. Especially the final command, 'Yate' to end the exercise. In Japanese the actual command is 'Yame' (pronounced Yah-may) or 'Yamete' (Yah-mah-tay). Both mean 'cease' or 'stop it,' basically. Although in Japanese, the command is not drawn out as the droid did it, but more of a barked command. (At least in the dojo)

I loved the holographic targets Huyang presented. I thought it was weird that he was showing doubles in every case, until afterwards when he was able to grade her based on the precision of her cuts. The dual-targets made a lot more sense, then, showing a greater degree of accuracy in measuring her angles.

 

[Set Harth]

Pulling someone out of their proper place and time doesn't create a whole new reality

Actually it kind of would... because in the original reality they weren't pulled out of their proper place and time.

Despite Dave Filoni's public trolling, Ahsoka always survived her duel with Vader

That seems unlikely. Would Vader have lost to her? Unless Ezra "always" pulled her out...

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Unless Ezra "always" pulled her out...

That's precisely how I've always read that moment.

 

[fireproof78]

BOBF was a badass idea that ran totally off the rails when they reneged on the concept of Boba Fett taking Jabba's seat. Instead, they neutered him and tried to turn him into a touchy-feely good guy, complete with a bunch of Vespa riding henchmen. The two Mandalorian episodes are pretty much the only ones worth watching in that mess.

BOBF should have been an all-out turf war for Jabba's old territory, and damn the fine citizens of Tatooine, caught in the crossfire. It should have been Star Wars: Underworld.

I prefer the rebirth story we got.

 

[DigificWriter]

Tat seems unlikely. Would Vader have lost to her? Unless Ezra "always" pulled her out...

In Twilight of the Apprentice, we cut away from the fight between Ahsoka and Vader, have a brief scene with the Ghost crew, and then immediately cut back to Ahsoka walking deeper into the Malachor temple, signaling that she survived the last scene we saw her in. The fact that we already knew that she survived her fight with Vader 2 seasons before we got to A World Between Worlds and saw Ezra pull her out of the fight means that she would have survived said fight regardless.

 

[Jedi Marso]

In Twilight of the Apprentice, we cut away from the fight between Ahsoka and Vader, have a brief scene with the Ghost crew, and then immediately cut back to Ahsoka walking deeper into the Malachor temple, signaling that she survived the last scene we saw her in. The fact that we already knew that she survived her fight with Vader 2 seasons before we got to A World Between Worlds and saw Ezra pull her out of the fight means that she would have survived said fight regardless.

No, she survived because Ezra pulled her out- that was the part you didn't see in Twilight of the Apprentice. I think Filoni knew exactly what he was doing here. You didn't see what happened because it would have foreshadowed TWBW that we weren't exposed to until two seasons later. Yeah, we knew she survived (Ezra didn't), but that doesn't mean she would have if not for the events we didn't see until later.

I hate temporal mechanics.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I also felt like the reveal that Ezra pulling Ahsoka out meant that was how she survived the duel. The part we didn't see would be Vader confused at where Ahsoka went, and then he leaves. Then Ahsoka reappears and walks out of the ruins after all the dust literally settles. Even in Twlight, it makes very little sense that Ahsoka survived the duel and just walked away. I don't see why a pre-destination paradox or causal loop or whatever this particular thing is called is not possible in Star Wars?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Also, pretty sure this the first live action Star Wars EVA scene (at least with an actual suit on!)

Stormtroopers outside near Hangar Bay 327 in Episode IV.