Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Ithekro]

I can see the NR captain fully not buying the Jedi coming onboard code. The Republic has the only Jedi we know of, and Ahsoka and Luke would use modern Republic code. No other Jedi would or should care about this particular ship, so the Captain was correct in guessing that this was an Imperial deception. What he did not count of what that the Empire would still have some Force users with lightsabers in the payroll, since most Republic accounts would have them all dead. Marrek being the stand out as an Inquisitor unaccounted for? Having two "Dark" Jedi show up is basically not something that captain even remotely considered as a possibility. For pretty much any other group of Imperials, the captain was ready to deal with them it.

 

[Gaith]

She is confident she won't die. She is Anakin's apprentice after all.

Well, given the unknown nature of the threats facing her, that would strike me as extremely foolish.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, given the unknown nature of the threats facing her, that would strike me as extremely foolish.

Our heroes often are.

 

[Starscream2112]

Off to a decent start. Getting really tired of the Volume though.

 

[Jedman67]

Off to a decent start. Getting really tired of the Volume though.

I was watching on my phone so I couldn't tell what was Volume or not. But TBH?
As long as you have enough set pieces and location, I'm fine with Volume for set extensions and background.

Anyhoo, I have a question for y'all:

Thrawn and Ezra disappeared when Ezra called out to the Purgill and they jumped to hyper. WHY would a 10,000 star map hold the clue to find them?

 

[David cgc]

Six ISD-Class hyperdrive cores mounted into a hyperdrive ring.

Bigger, Taub said the drive core they were shipping out was from a Super Star Destroyer, and that was the ninth one they'd made. Unless an SSD had multiple hyperdrive cores, pretty much every ship that was captured and not destroyed (or escaped to the incipient First Order) must've had its core find its way into that ring/catapult/portal.

Thrawn and Ezra disappeared when Ezra called out to the Purgill and they jumped to hyper. WHY would a 10,000 star map hold the clue to find them?

There were inscriptions of Purgill around the map, it could be describing migration routes or something along those lines.

 

[Q2UnME]

...... snippage.....
Anyhoo, I have a question for y'all:

Thrawn and Ezra disappeared when Ezra called out to the Purgill and they jumped to hyper. WHY would a 10,000 star map hold the clue to find them?

It's not a question of where Thrawn and Ezra went, it more a questions as to where the Purgill went. The map is meant to imply it's the location of where the Purgill are/had gone, and for quite some time....

Edit to add: Ninja'd by David cgc...

 

[Gaith]

Our heroes often are.

Maybe, but Cassian Andor's fear, and his struggle to overcome his own cowardice, has made him an immensely compelling protagonist. Not sure the same could be said for quiet, unworried (live-action iteration of) Ahsoka.

Thrawn and Ezra disappeared when Ezra called out to the Purgill and they jumped to hyper. WHY would a 10,000 star map hold the clue to find them?

Because in the absence of compelling drama, "finding unexplained old maps to things in old, forgotten places" is Disney Star Wars' go-to storytelling crutch?

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, the context clues on the map (and the actual Purrgill glimpse in the clouds) make it clear this is a known migration trail for them, and Seatos is the jumping off point.

Moreover, Elsbeth said those ruins were built by "an ancient people from a distant galaxy". Obviously they made the crossing following that trail and left the map and the reflex point as a means to get back.

Where the Nightsisters come into it is still a bit unclear, but given the witches had the map and their temple was covered in the same runes used by the ancients implies some kind of direct connection. If I had to put money on it, I'd say those ancients were the first humans in this galaxy, and the precursors of all of galactic civilization. Hence the runes looking rather like a simpler iteration of Old Tongue/McQuarrie script, and that modern recollections of them have faded into mere myth and fairytales. Could also have just been the Rakatta or the Kwa, but that feels less interesting.

Another mystery I'm trying to figure out is where this show is placed on the timeline relative to Mando season 3, because Pellaeon's appearance among the Shadow Council implies the events we're seeing are either just before S3 or concurrent. I mean we know Pellaeon was in orbit over Lothal before he and his fleet "vanished", so it's a fair bet they were all taken to the same place as Thrawn & Ezra. So if he's back, then that would mean that whatever else is going on, Elsbeth succeeded in that much at least.

Dayum! You are hard core!

It's just a substitution cipher. Once you have the vowels it's straight forward enough to extrapolate out, and luckily "Peridea" has three of them. Plus several of those words had double consonants, which narrows it down considerably.

Six ISD-Class hyperdrive cores mounted into a hyperdrive ring. Will they use another ISD? Seems to be overkill for what's planned. A light or heavy cruiser would IMO be a better option, you can have enough room for support personnel, fighters and shuttles but you don't need a 20,000 person crew to turn on the lights.

You're assuming the ultimate purpose of that thing is to get something to Peridea. More likely it's to get a certain something back. Those things are a rare commodity in the galaxy after all, and it's mere presence a powerful symbol to the Imperial Remnant factions.

 

[Noname Given]

Now I guess I know what my friends who casually watch Star Trek feel like when something is loaded with stuff from previous series they haven't really watched. I've seen a few Clone Wars an Rebels episodes (the latter were the Darth Vader ones where they had James Earl Jones doing Vader's voice); but yeah, I have some idea who some of the backstory characters are; and I guess Sabine was left pining for Ezra and he of course heroically sacrificed himself in some way that left the rest of them behind or wondering what happened to him, and that caused some sort of rift between he and Ahsoka.

Generally, I liked everyone in the main cast, but as I don't really know the animated versions of the characters well, IDK how well they transferred to live-action, but again, I liked them well enough that I want to keep watching (something that Andor failed for me on - I know hard core STAR WARS fans love Andor because it really takes the politics of the SW universe much more seriously, but it didn't gel for me as I just found it plodding and boring. VMMW.) I also liked it more than Obi-Wan because at least it doesn't have to come up with a contrived ending that has both Obi Wan and Darth Vader surviving and putting off the final confrontation that was set up and then just abandoned...and don't get me started on Obi-Wan: Imperial Meat Cutter <-- )

But yeah, I liked what I saw and guess I got enough to follow what's going on with the characters (although I suppose if you never saw anything Clone Wars or Rebels, it would be hard to get very invested in the story - but yeah, if hey really wanted to clue casuals in, you'd need a HUGE narrated episode of Flashbacks and these are all for the fans of the Ahsoka character and us filthy casuals can play catch up if we want to. )

I will say that on the writing level, the one thing I really groaned about and was yelling "oh, come on..." at the screen was the fact that after the cute blonde Evil Jedi apprentice gets the map from Sabine; instead of just high-tailing it out of there leaving even less clues - she stays just so she can confront Sabine in person - BUT ALSO runs off before making sure Sabine is dead from the light-saber wound she inflicted...COME ON!

And yeah, talk about how Star Trek ships travel at the "speed of plot" - these latest STAR WARS outings across the board seen to take in to a new level. Distance means nothing...everything seems minutes away. Hell, it seemed to take Ahsoka longer to fly from the City to the old Communications tower than it did for her to go from whatever planet that was on to Correlia. (And yeah, the Tug with the Hyperdrive seemed to get where it was going incredibly fast...so yeah, no wonder we're dealing with a situation where the Admiral they want to have return went to a whole other Galaxy...guess that might actually take an hour to travel that far...

Yeah, it's all Sci-Fi Pulp, so things have to move along (and that's true of both Star Trek and Star Wars); but IDK in that BOTH new incarnations in these franchises seem to travel really far, really fast (unless the plot demands otherwise.)

Still, so far, I'm enjoying Ahsoka as much as I have The Mandalorian; so, if it keeps that up, I'll at least have two of the new Star Wars series to enjoy. I just hope they throw those of us not intimately familiar with Rebels enough background IN the upcoming episodes to understand the big character plot moments when they come up, but we'll see. YMMV.

 

[Ithekro]

In the canon novels, there is one lost Super Star Destroyer as well, the Eclipse. Though that should have been found by the proto-First Order group under Hux and Sloan. It could need parts as well.

 

[Turtletrekker]

For those who may be interested, here is Ezra's sacrifice in the last episode.

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[Tuskin38]

I mean we know Pellaeon was in orbit over Lothal before he and his fleet "vanished"

We saw several Star Destroyers crashing, and not all of them were taken by the Puurgil.
Pellaeon may have escaped.

 

[thribs]

Pellaeon was in Mandalorian

 

[Reverend]

In the canon novels, there is one lost Super Star Destroyer as well, the Eclipse. Though that should have been found by the proto-First Order group under Hux and Sloan. It could need parts as well.

Based on what we saw of the Shadow Council, they're not likely to want to share resources of that magnitude with each other. Hux even letting on that they have an SSD could mark them as a potential threat by the others and only serve to make them even more protective of their meagre resources.
It's also possible they already stripped The Eclipse for parts to keep the rest of their fleet running. Mechanical attrition and shortages of consumables is no joke when a fleet has no safe harbour, and no supply chain to keep it afloat. Even extorting vulnerable mining worlds, and outright piracy can only get them so far without attracting the wrong kind of attention.

Indeed, we can't even be sure Elsbeth even has anything to do with the Shadow Council. Those aren't Stormtroopers serving her, and we've not so much as a TIE fighter in terms of Imperial military hardware. Her operation looks to be entirely independent.

 

[Ithekro]

Elsbeth might be attempting to be low key by using HK droids rather than stormtroopers. If her entire project is this giant hyperspace ring, than she's gonna want to keep it quiet. However there is also Captain Pellaeon who was part of Thrawn's 7th Fleet at Lothal. And some of Elsbeth's HK's had 7th Fleet insignia on them. The question is where is Pellaeon? He's local enough to aid the Shadow Council and confer with Hux on supplying other groups, but seems in on the idea of Thrawn's return. Could Ahsoka and season three of the Mandalorian be concurrent?

 

[Jedman67]

Elsbet was captured by Ahsoka in Mando S2
I'd assume the prison break is no more than a few months later

 

[Booji]

We saw several Star Destroyers crashing, and not all of them were taken by the Puurgil.
Pellaeon may have escaped.

Just rewatched and the only Star Destroyer you see taken away is Thrawn's. Yeah, Pallaeon probably escaped.

 

[The Wormhole]

I mean, Pellaeon obviously escaped, otherwise how could be on The Mandalorian?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Anyhoo, I have a question for y'all:

Thrawn and Ezra disappeared when Ezra called out to the Purgill and they jumped to hyper. WHY would a 10,000 star map hold the clue to find them?

That is a very good question.