That's honestly the first thing I thought when I saw it.
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That's honestly the first thing I thought when I saw it.
It started a little slow, but I enjoyed the 2 episodes very much. I've only seen season 1 of Rebels so far, so I'm missing some context, but felt there was enough explained or hinted at in the episodes themselves.
I read a spoiler recap, as I'm not a current D+ subscriber, was busy yesterday, and haven't actually decided if I'll watch the show. So, I'm curious:
The baddies have at least three Force users, and the Ghost crew goodies only have two, one of which definitely isn’t a full Jedi. Dare I ask if they even discuss reaching out to that other Jedi wandering around? The one that dominated an episode of the Boba Fett series for some reason? (Let alone his sister, who is also maybe doing her Jedi training at this point?)
Or, are we just supposed to assume that they assume he’s too busy babysitting Grogu, not knowing that he already sent Grogu off into the middle of a gang war? Or, does this take place in the time when he actually was babysitting Grogu?
"I think our first move... should be to call The Avengers."
... or not?
The baddies have at least three Force users, and the Ghost crew goodies only have two, one of which definitely isn’t a full Jedi. Dare I ask if they even discuss reaching out to that other Jedi wandering around? The one that dominated an episode of the Boba Fett series for some reason? (Let alone his sister, who is also maybe doing her Jedi training at this point?)
Or, are we just supposed to assume that they assume he’s too busy babysitting Grogu, not knowing that he already sent Grogu off into the middle of a gang war? Or, does this take place in the time when he actually was babysitting Grogu?
"I think our first move... should be to call The Avengers."
... or not?
I think you're right. I probably mixed up him being mocked by another character for Corran's lack of telekinesis, But he could do other force-related things.
Been a while since I read "I, Jedi", but IIRC he also had that ability Anakin/Vader had to absorb energy like a capacitor and then use it in a different fashion, at least to a degree.
OK, finally got around to watching them both and they did not disappoint. Right out of the gate, I think what struck me the most is how confident this show feels in it's pacing. It's not slow, it just knows where it's going and is in no hurry to get there. Kevin Kiner is knocking it out of the park as usual. I really hope he's the guy they go to from now on for the movies when they want to continue with the spirit of Williams' style.
Random thoughts and notes made on the fly: -
Likewise here; on the show we're getting an important scene between to characters that's the culmination of their interactions over the the last two episodes. In 'Rebels' what we saw was a coda; a glimpse into the future and just a sense of these two characters' destinies. The granular details don't really matter, especially when the intent that it's the same moment is fairly cut and dried, right down to them both using the same camera angles. So what if they decided to give Sabine a much less derpy looking speeder bike instead! (Always disliked those little fold-up things.)
Random thoughts and notes made on the fly: -
- Helmets: Vader, Threepio, Phase 1 Clone Trooper (not Rex, I checked!), HK, Marrok, Huyang, Stormtrooper, Chopper, Sabine.
- I like that they're starting this with a sort of hybrid crawl. The classic movie style fanfair and scroll-up wouldn't have suited the tone of the opening.
- So while I know it's not a good idea to get into hair splitting the content of a text crawl where the whole point is brevity, but I'm going to do it anyway! So do we suppose this wording choice means Ahsoka was officially on the books as a Jedi Knight now? Like officially official? If so; I'd be willing to bet that was Yoda's doing. Even though she wasn't formally knighted, the council did acknowledge she passed her trials. Must be some technical definition for an approved Padawan awaiting the ceremony, and he snuck her name onto the rolls.
- Oh hey, Mark Rolston! Always nice to see Drake, however briefly. Also: Ryder Azadi! I mean I was 90% sure they'd get Clancy in here somewhere, but still it's still nice to see! And I just now realised with Rolston in this episode, we were this close to a Shawshank reunion!
- Am I the only one picking up on how Ray Stevenson was doing a very respectable Qui-Go Jinn impersonation? It feels like he deliberately tried to match the tone and cadence of Liam Neason's performance.
- Dr. Ahsoka Jones anyone? That whole introductory scene was straight out of Raiders. I mean it even had the whole "start the plane, Jock!" bit. Also: they sent droids after a Clone Wars vet? How exactly did they expect that to go?
- "T-6 1974"? Really Dave? You named the ship after birthyear? . . . OK, fair enough! (Also Star Wars's birthyear if you go by the rough draft instead of the story synopsis.)
- Nice try, but I saw the Ghost hiding at the back of Home Ones hangar! Sneeky, sneeky!
- Senator Jai Kell?! OK, that one caught me by surprise.
- And Star Wars get's yet another diegetic track. That always makes me happy. I don't want to make the comparison, but I couldn't help but be reminded of the car chase scene from Trek '09.
- Ah Sabine. Still a rebellious tee . . . uh . . . 31 year old . . .
- Seriously though; they're playing it light hearted but there's some interesting character implications to her behaviour. After all she was supposedly *right there* before just deciding to take off back home. So she clearly intended to be a part of it, but something changed her mind at the last second. She's trying to drown it out with loud music and adrenaline, but this has the odour of an emotional freak out of some description (understandable, given the situation.)
- They gave the Lothal security force "spectre" callsigns? Well that feels like unwarranted appropriation.
- Every cat owner knows that shakey-leg standing up stretch. Clearly the puppeteers are cat people. I approve.
- So Leitmotif watch so far: Ahsoka's, Check! Hera's, Check! Sabine's . . . partial quote? Because she's not really at ease in herself? Subtle.
- So Ezra made a separate recording for Sabine, and yet was still weirdly a vague and cryptic as he was in the message for everyone else? Thanks Ezra. Very helpful. Cleared up any lingering misunderstandings. You muppet. I know this is playing into her character arc, but still.
- Morgan is a Nightsister confirmed! Honestly I never put much stock in this theory because, you know, the whole complexion thing. Ah well. Not mad about it. Now I'm half expecting a Nicholson/Joker moment when the flesh tone make-up covering the alabaster skin washes.
- Interesting that it's a Nightsister temple on somewhere other than Dathomir. Did the Nightsisters once give the Sith a run for their money? Also; a witch stronghold on a planet named "Arcana"? Sometimes the way Star Wars names have the subtlety of a bolide strike is oddly comforting.
- Imagery is similarly unsubtle; A witch temple with three female figures (The Maiden, the Mother and the Other One) arranged around a celtic trinity knot? All that combined with the title of the second episode; I think we're fine so long as Birnam Nebula doesn't move to orbit the planet Dunsinane.
- Speaking of the trinity knot; could be an allusion to a certain other trinity that can transcend time and space which just so happens to be related to Ahsoka's story . . . and on a totally different topic; anyone seen an owl lurking about anywhere?
- Spotted Ezra's Scout Helmet, plus two more unpainted (the ones they both wore at the Lothal Temple dig?) and three very grotty Stormtrooper helmets . . . presumably part of Ezra's old bucket collection?
- A probe droid that isn't black? Well that's mildly disconcerting for some reason.
- So much for Ezra & Thrawn jumping to the western Unknown Regions as most assumed! Also; those purrgil really must get around the universe! Also; I can't help but get the feeling we're getting some kind of set-up for the Dawn of the Jedi and/or Old Republic projects. Going to another galaxy feels like a big deal, mythologically speaking.
- I like how they establish right off the bat that Sabine can handle herself in hand-to-hand with droids, but when she's up against a trained saber hand, she's clearly out of her depth.
- A non-traditional credit sequence for a Star War? That's unprecedented outside of videogames, no?
- Seems like a new script that looks similar to the usual McQuarrie Old Tongue runes, but simpler, like it's an even more ancient precursor. The influence of celtic and norse runes is pretty clear.
- Had a quick go at deciphering said text; assuming the last word is "Peridea" (as one might expect given the context) I think I found others that might be "Lothal", "Corellia" and a few others that felt familiar. Might have a more in-depth look at it tomorrow, but I suspect it's just a bunch of planet names. that may or may not be relevant.
- I'm noticing that a lot of the bit-player type roles on this show are alumni from Lucasfilm animation projects. The company was always unusually rather loyal to it's people like that.
- Detective Ahsoka. Not quite full on psychometry, but she's clearly doing something similar.
- Huyang has clearly spent most of the last few centuries carefully honing the art of scene theft.
- I like how Star Wars is still using obviously found item props. I know a late 70's/early 80's electronic game when I see one! Moreover I think it's an entirely different one from the one they used in BoBF!
- Honestly looking forward to seeing how they achieved Huyang. It feels like a physical prop so I suspect it's either a marionette with digital rod & cable removal, or a body rig similar to TPM's incomplete Threepio. I'll have to go back and check the credits for puppeteers.
- On a similar note; the Lothcat (which I am torn between naming "Seventh Hisster" and "Meowloorun") is clearly an animatronic rod puppet like Grogu.
- Easy to miss detail: it was Huyang that pulled the plug, not Ahsoka. She was (mostly) confident in Sabine's abilities; a detail Sabine missed in her self-pity party later on.
- Creepy voice does not sound like Thrawn at all. I get the sense that our antagonists all have differing agendas, which is always interesting.
- "Eye of Sion" you say? Combined angry crispy man & least-Star Warsy book ever refence, or did someone just look in the thesaurus for synonyms to "heir"?
- Corellia actually looks half-way nice . . . from the air. I'm sure it's still a slum ridden shithole once you get out of the touristy areas.
- Really appreciated Huyang's little motivational speech to Sabine. Not often you get to see a droid offering sage wisdom. Kind of wild to think that he's actually seen this all before having already witnessed the Jedi Order almost wiped out during fall of the Old Republic. I really hope they keep this character around as a legacy for future stories.
- Interesting detail that Sabine modified her/Ezra's sabre but didn't feel the need to repaint it like she does with literally everything else that gets within arms reach of her for more that 5 mins (including her blasters.) Indeed she's kept that thing pristine! Not sure if that's a sign of reverence, or a fear of unworthiness. Maybe both.
- Having said that; she left the vambraces Fen Rau gave her with their original Protectors motif, with no embellishments of her own. That may be more of a sign of respect than anything though, given what happened to the Protectors.
- Enjoying the fact that they're fully acknowledging Sabine's decidedly average force sensitivity, and that it doesn't matter to Huyang. Being a Jedi is not about making rocks float after all, which may have been what Ezra's message was really about. He knew she could be a Jedi. Knew that she wanted to learn. Not the the saber, but everything; the philosophy, the discipline, the world view, and how to be a good person. Ezra was a prodigy with the force, and I think he was trying to tell Sabine that none of that matters, which is what he means when he said he's counting on her to see it through.
- "If I shoot it down it'll crash in the middle of the city!" "--And that's bad?--" Nice to see Chopper still has that classic war criminal mindset.
- Curious that they made such a thing of Sabine ritually cutting her hair, and yet not leaving enough for a padawan braid. Perhaps she'd rather emulate her Master and wear silka beads instead? That would be a neat detail.
It's pretty simple math; this show is set about a decade after 'Rebels'. Sabine says she hasn't heard from Ahsoka in "years". That gives us about an 8 year window between the finale and "now" in which all of their drama took place. Could have happened over the course of the entire OT with them parting ways after Jakku. Could have only *started* after Endor with them falling out just two years prior.
I kind of look at it the same as the whole thing between the 'Ahsoka' novel and that one TotJ episode. Each are depicting the same event in a different context, particular to their respective medium and overall narrative.
Likewise here; on the show we're getting an important scene between to characters that's the culmination of their interactions over the the last two episodes. In 'Rebels' what we saw was a coda; a glimpse into the future and just a sense of these two characters' destinies. The granular details don't really matter, especially when the intent that it's the same moment is fairly cut and dried, right down to them both using the same camera angles. So what if they decided to give Sabine a much less derpy looking speeder bike instead! (Always disliked those little fold-up things.)
I don't see any points of comparison between these two characters besides "is important person in a planet's government". Jack Black was playing a foppish ex-Imperial bureaucrat on a soft decadent planet. Clancy Brown is playing an ex-political prisoner, and veteran of the rebellion. Also; he's Clancy Brown. He and Jack Black aren't generally thought of for the same kinds of parts.
And in 30 years when Grogu comes to Master Wren to complete his Jedi training, the circle will be complete!
Highly doubtful.
- Sam Witwer is almost always in the credits for "additional voices". That's what they hire him to do. Mostly droids. Stormtroopers, and general background walla.
- Marrok has no lines that I noticed.
- There's some bts images in the wild of Marrok with his mask off: it's just a stunt performer. Paul Darnell to be precise.
- Robin Atkin Downes was also credited for "additional voices", but you don't see people claiming Cham is hiding somewhere in the background, do you?
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So is Morgan going to end up being Ventress, and my dreams of her return will finally come true?
Most of that takes place in episode 3.
Him deciding to let Grogu go at the end of Season 2 is also a meaningful moment of growth.
Everything else is just redundantly reinforcing the same thing.
Having him take Grogu back is a regress of the character.
Most of it is just the same beat over and over.
Unlikely, not least of which because there's no way in hell Ventress would have been building ships for the Empire, and even less way in said hell that Palpatine wouldn't have murdered her to death if she tried to. Also: she's dead.
They did however briefly considered having her on Resistance before instead settling on an original character (with suspiciously familiar facial tattoos.)
Morgan Elsbeth does not have the correct position of Grand Admiral Thrawn because she forgot to take back one kadam in honor of the first Jedi.
Meant to mention this before but it slipped my mind: if Thrawn is indeed the last "missing" Grand Admiral; does that mean they've somehow accounted for Sloane, or did they mistakenly believe she was killed at Jakku? Would be interesting if it turns out the reason she was nowhere to be seen and apparently long gone in the ST is if she fled back to the known galaxy and surrendered.
I think in the post-ROTJ world, anyone with ties to the old Jedi Order, official or not, can call themselves a Jedi or not if they like, and other people will refer to them as Jedi regardless. At this point, Ahsoka is a ronin- a wandering samurai, SW style.
I thought that was Drake, but wasn't positive! Also glad to see Clancy Brown playing his character in live action.
Looking forward to being able to stream that track- I dug it. A very Akira vibe, or any number of other animes.
Lothcat is already one of my favorite characters. I hope Sabine didn't just abandon her pet...
This makes the fight in Mando episode 13 make so much more sense. Before knowing Morgan is a Force sensitive, I was asking myself why Ahsoka was even fighting her instead of just body-slamming her with the Force and holding her down with it while tickling her with a lightsaber for the answers she wanted.
The other one is the Crone. And I was watching, but didn't spot Morai (the owl) anywhere. I'll be surprised if we don't see her eventually.
They lifted this scene right out of TPM, just like Ahsoka with her Indiana Jones moments in the openng. Also the very Trek-like moments on the bridge of the NR prison ship.
I'm sure it has its nice spots. Baron Fel and Corran Horn weren't from the slums!
He should be the 'storyteller' like Artoo and Threepio for the Jedi stuff not pertaining to the Skywalker saga. The cool thing about him is he can appear in completely other eras, past and future.
I'm very interested to see this play out. It's the first time since our 'young, impressionistic' OT era that we've been given the hope that anyone can wield the Force, not just a special few.
I'm going to worry about that fictional lothcat!
#JusticeAndNibbles4Lothcat
That cat is off running a poker game. I would not worry about the cat.
#catsdowhattheyplease
#catsdowhattheyplease
At 21:45, when Ryder is asking Jai where Sabine is, you can see a lone speeder bike zooming down the road in the background. Since only story protagonists ever use that road, it's obviously Sabine.
From Rebels, she has a mother, father, and brother. So, yes! All of Clan Wren coming to take turns feeding the cat is a very, very amusing thought.
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