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Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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Its a DIS production version of the TNG badge the same way that the Enterprise, the computers and Pikes uniform dont look exactly like TOS
Shinier and the rim of the oval looks different. [
Yeah that outer edge has a really sharp upward flange to it which I don't think the original had - or, at least, it seemed more rounded and/or less pronounced back in the day. No matter... It's close enough for the intent to be considered 100% TNG originating.
Yeah it looks like an off the shelf commercial one with all the chrome the TV ones never actually have.
Well the early DS9/Generations/Voyager unis started life as cadet uniforms in the Next Gen episode "Allegiance" so I guess there's a precedent
It was an excellent choice to represent the Starfleet uniforms immediately preceding the 32nd century ones (if the Senna Tal-era commbadge is any indication), since they strongly resemble the new ones even though they were originally made for that cadet scene.
As for the other uniform, the jury’s still out on the era it’s supposed to be from. I speculated that it was an intermediate uniform between the monster maroons and the TNG season 1 uniforms, but based on the last time we saw someone wearing the former (Jack Crusher’s holomessage to Wesley in 2348) and the first time we chronologically saw the TNG uniform (flashback to Jack Crusher’s death in 2353), there’s only a five year span of time that uniform could have been used. So I think it’s a uniform used sometime between the 25th century and the 31st, and the commbadge just coincidentally looks like the one from TNG.
Don’t forget that right now (as of Lower Decks) is canon that Starfleet can have more than a commbadge in service in any given period.
If the D in TNG can have different saucer rims, so can the communicators
The cadet uniforms in Valiant were updated to incorporate some of the features from the First Contact (and onwards) general Starfleet uniforms; for example: the coloured yokes feature the same type of edging as the grey yokes of the standard uniforms. I guess they elected to re-use the old DS9-pattern grey undershirts because they already had a stock of them rather than making a whole bunch of new ones with the zip-front just for one episode.
These uniforms are well over 100 years old by the time of the episode. The combadge and rank insignia would seem to come from the same series as those previously seen on Adm. Senna Tal. The other Tal host in the grey starfleet uniform with the yellow stripe has similar collar insignia but sports the newest TriCom Badge rather than the badge worn by Tal.
Best guesses:
- the Tal admiral uniform pre-dated Vance's current version, but is the origin of Vance's uniform.
- the other trill host is wearing a uniform that is intermediate between the uniforms seen in the Kaminar holo and the current uniforms (it's similar to these and keeps the same collar badges but has the coloured strip on the right-hand side of the torso and has the newer badge).
- the Kaminar holo flashback uniforms could be the captain uniform from the same era as the Tal admiral uniform.
The Kaminar flashback uniforms are similar to the cadet uniforms from the Pike scene in S2 but I don't think they are they exactly the same:
The S2 cadet uniforms appear to be one-piece jumpsuits and while not fully clear, they seem to have grey collars with the colour just one the shoulder and sleeves; the later officer uniforms from the early 3000s are two-piece uniform with separate jackets and coloured collars. It wouldn't surprise me though if Gersha Phillips had chosen to re-use a concept from a previous costume, especially given that those cadet uniforms were barely seen in the low lighting with the flashes and flames!
This is already true in early Discovery where Discovery, Shenzhou, and Starfleet at large, apparently, all wear the divided Delta, but Enterprise and Lynn Lucero's ship all wear an intact, classic Delta. Different badges for different uniform designs, predating the Lower Decks take.
And, really, TOS showed us people wearing the same uniforms but different patches, either denoting ship, fleet, or who knows what.
Ah, missed the context. Still, sharp uniform and fits the lineage well
The only real issue with finding a "lineage" between 32nd Century uniforms & slightly older ones seen in flashbacks and late 24th century ones is, what about the other 670-ish years between Picard and those holograms?
End of the day it's a TV show with a limited budget. And there's such a huge timespan involved there are likely hundreds of uniform variations we never see. And modern Trek has concurrent designs so future productions set in that interim can pretty much do whatever they want.
We already have loads of oddities like the Enterprise-C crew wearing Wrath of Khan phasers when there were several new models shown in later movies in the years between productions.
A good example of there probably being parallel rather than successive designs, both with uniforms and with sidearms...
Uniforms might come in varieties, so that there's a classy one and a baggy one at any given time, for two different applications. Guns might also vary functionally, with some Phaser 2s being more rugged than others, say. But guns could also come from different manufacturers at the same time, being functional first and foremost, where uniforms exist for aesthetics and different manufacturers would be required to create identical-looking products.
Timo Saloniemi
Uniforms might come in varieties, so that there's a classy one and a baggy one at any given time, for two different applications. Guns might also vary functionally, with some Phaser 2s being more rugged than others, say. But guns could also come from different manufacturers at the same time, being functional first and foremost, where uniforms exist for aesthetics and different manufacturers would be required to create identical-looking products.
Timo Saloniemi
I like the idea of guns coming from different manufacturers: even today you can for example buy computers from a given company and that company might employ components from different manufactures (for example a wireless card) that can look different but perform similarly
It would be nice to have that diversity of design within the Federation rather than uniformity constantly.
This uniform is good enough for a show featuring them. I'd do a different combadge (that's not bad but there are better one) and put it in a different spot. And I'd maybe give it a collar a bit more like TNG, but it manages to be both familiar and fresh at the same time.
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