Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Briet]

I don't like seeing Coulson be so ruthless. But I think it sat hard with him to go that far. I think he left the hand behind because he couldn't stomach wearing it after he killed someone with it in cold blood.

I guessed that Will would be the entity, but I hadn't expected it to turn out that Jemma's Will had been real but had only been killed/replaced by the entity after Jemma left.

How did Zombie Ward get back, anyway? I assume he must've dived through the portal at the last second while the castle was collapsing, but it would've been nice to have that clarified.

Hold on... I think Whedon TV has come full circle. Ward is now a dead man whose body has been taken over by an evil spirit. Which is basically what vampires were in Buffy. And the entity is drawn to blood...

Mack's plan to keep the "Power Rangers" together on one team was weird. Shouldn't they have split up so there were Inhumans on both teams? Anyway, we didn't get to see them using their powers all that much, and most of it was offscreen, which was disappointing. Although that was a neat trick with Joey melting the bullets. I really thought the predictions of his demise were coming true for a moment there.

IMO, the inhuman could actually be a parasitic alien like the Goa'uld or those parasite aliens in TNG S1 "Conspiracy".

Possible, because "Will" remembered who Fitz is, so It must have Will's memories.

All and all it was not bad, but I'm not on the edge on my seat like at the mid-season finale of season 2. Seemed kinda complete with the big hugs, and just a little tease at the end for next year. I like it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jemma's cellphone had a lot of personal data in it. Photographs and more movie besides her birthday party which we saw her and Will watching.

 

[Reverend]

So Ward is dead and his corpse is possessed by Hydra's living idol. Called it!...sort of.

Have to say, not a big fan of the editing trick they pulled that made it so they didn't have to show how zombie Ward made it out before the missile hit and nobody noticed (I'm guessing it has something to do with corpses not showing up on thermal imaging.)
Poor Simmons, though at least Will died *after* she left and she didn't spend a month spooning with an immortal hell beast. Speaking of: did anyone else's brain scream "the symbiont!" when the creature turned out to be a viscous liquid thing? I know I said the same thing about the monolith when it grabbed Simmons, so I honestly doubt it.

Not sure what to make of the whole thing about the planet once being home to an advanced civilization. Why would the Kree send it there? My first thought was it was the Skrull homeworld and that's how they won the war, but it doesn't quite jive with what it said. Plus, if it was that advanced then the should have had spaceflight and thus no reason why the creature should have been trapped there, unless it was intentionally stranded. Does the seven cities thing match up to anything in the comics lore?

 

[intrinsical]

All I could think of is that Ward is going down Dukat's path with the Pagh Wraiths.

 

[Myko]

Why did Hydra have to send a team through the portal to get the entity, why not simply open the portal and wait for it to come through?

 

[intrinsical]

Why did Hydra have to send a team through the portal to get the entity, why not simply open the portal and wait for it to come through?

The time and location of the portal is constantly changing as it is pulled around by the gravity of the two moons.

Gemma had to use a computer to calculate the portal's exact location, and only after carefully tracking the two moon's trajectory for some time. I'm pretty sure "it" doesn't have the capability of doing this calculation or it would have escaped long ago.

 

[Christopher]

IMO, the inhuman could actually be a parasitic alien like the Goa'uld or those parasite aliens in TNG S1 "Conspiracy".

Perhaps. There did seem to be something wormy moving under the skin of Ward's temple in that final shot, though that could've been some sort of transformation like a Buffyverse vampire's "game face." But it seemed to me there was some kind of energy glow and sound effect emanating from "Will"'s head as he died, which suggested an incorporeal entity fleeing the body. Although maybe that was just me seeing what I expected to see.

 

[Mr Light]

Me: <<When Fitz pulls open Will's pants, what was he seeing? It was hard to make out with the weird blue light. Was that supposed to be his bone with no flesh around it?>>

I just realized how dirty that sounds

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Why did Hydra have to send a team through the portal to get the entity, why not simply open the portal and wait for it to come through?

In addition to not necessarily knowing where the exit would appear, it seems to need a host and Hydra didn't necessarily know there would be one.

 

[Reverend]

Why did Hydra have to send a team through the portal to get the entity, why not simply open the portal and wait for it to come through?

In addition to not necessarily knowing where the exit would appear, it seems to need a host and Hydra didn't necessarily know there would be one.

Malick seemed to know something about it's capabilities as he said the only thing coming back is...whatever that thing is. Not "that thing and my team". He fully expected them all to die and for the creature to come back alone.

Perhaps this has been behind the constant "human sacrifices" the whole time. Making sure the creature always has a host to keep it alive in the hopes it'll one day find it's way back.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

I kept thinking through this episode "Feels like I'm watching an episode of Agents of S.T.A.R.G.A.T.E."

 

[JD]

Well, it looks like they gave us what a lot of people wanted and killed Ward, but still found a way to keep Brett Dalton on the show. It will be interesting to see what his body being used by It means for him. I will gladly admit I was wrong about Ward not being possessed, I did not see that coming.
I noticed this week they just called it an alien instead of an Inhuman, and it does seem to have originated on this planet, not Earth. I'm wondering if this is a slight retcon, or if perhaps this thing is this planet's version of an Inhuman. I think I read online that the comic book versions of the Kree did do the same kind of experiments that created the Inhumans on other planets, but I can't remember if that's been established with the MCU version.
I was not expecting Will to have become It after Simmons left. I figured if it was him, it would have been him the entire time. Does this mean It can only posses dead bodies?
So is Andrew/Lash on the loose again? There was no sign of him when May found the dead Inhumans.
It was really cool seeing Daisy and the other S.H.I.E.L.D. Inhumans going on a mission together. Joey melting the bullets was a cool moment.

 

[Admiral2]

The coolest thing about that episode was seeing Fitz both save the world and take out the competition. I cheered!

 

[Christopher]

So is Andrew/Lash on the loose again? There was no sign of him when May found the dead Inhumans.

Apparently so, yes.

Actually I'm surprised Malick survived the episode. I figured he'd be another Whitehall, a bad guy for the first half-season who'd be gotten rid of in the "winter finale."

 

[JD]

Me too. I guess they must have decided to keep him around to work with It.

 

[Icemizer]

So Ward is now Serpentor to Malicks Hydra Commander ah well at least we keep all the actors in play for the rest of the year. Did Coulson really need to leave his hand behind? Casting off his evil deed perhaps.

 

[Greg Cox]

So, my DVR cut off the last few minutes of the ep. I gather that Ward came back from the dead somehow . . . and got back to Earth?

Can someone fill me on what I missed?

 

[Christopher]

So, my DVR cut off the last few minutes of the ep. I gather that Ward came back from the dead somehow . . . and got back to Earth?

Can someone fill me on what I missed?

All we saw of that bit was Ward standing in front of Malick's car and holding Coulson's abandoned bionic hand, then a closeup on Ward with his eyes sort of grayed out and some kind of wormy thing wriggling under the skin of his temple, or maybe some kind of transformation happening to his face. It wasn't actually explained how he got back, though I assume he slipped through in the last second during the bombing.

 

[Greg Cox]

So, my DVR cut off the last few minutes of the ep. I gather that Ward came back from the dead somehow . . . and got back to Earth?

Can someone fill me on what I missed?

All we saw of that bit was Ward standing in front of Malick's car and holding Coulson's abandoned bionic hand, then a closeup on Ward with his eyes sort of grayed out and some kind of wormy thing wriggling under the skin of his temple, or maybe some kind of transformation happening to his face. It wasn't actually explained how he got back, though I assume he slipped through in the last second during the bombing.

Thanks!

 

[Sci]

Just kill Ward and lay Hydra to rest for a while. This show really needs a new direction.

They did kill Ward. And they've put Hydra to rest and then gone back to them before. I'm sure that's what they'll continue to do.

Not sure what to make of the whole thing about the planet once being home to an advanced civilization. Why would the Kree send it there? My first thought was it was the Skrull homeworld and that's how they won the war, but it doesn't quite jive with what it said. Plus, if it was that advanced then the should have had spaceflight and thus no reason why the creature should have been trapped there, unless it was intentionally stranded. Does the seven cities thing match up to anything in the comics lore?

I thought Monster!Will said nine cities?

I thought I remembered Malick saying that the other ancient Inhumans sent the Monster to Maveth, not the Kree. But if it was the Kree, then Maveth and the native Mavethians need not have been anyone notable from comics lore -- it could have just been a rival planet the Kree knew would end up devastated by the Monster.

Why did Hydra have to send a team through the portal to get the entity, why not simply open the portal and wait for it to come through?

In addition to not necessarily knowing where the exit would appear, it seems to need a host and Hydra didn't necessarily know there would be one.

Malick seemed to know something about it's capabilities as he said the only thing coming back is...whatever that thing is. Not "that thing and my team". He fully expected them all to die and for the creature to come back alone.

Perhaps this has been behind the constant "human sacrifices" the whole time. Making sure the creature always has a host to keep it alive in the hopes it'll one day find it's way back.

That is an excellent hypothesis and makes a heck of a lot of sense!

I noticed this week they just called it an alien instead of an Inhuman, and it does seem to have originated on this planet, not Earth. I'm wondering if this is a slight retcon, or if perhaps this thing is this planet's version of an Inhuman. I think I read online that the comic book versions of the Kree did do the same kind of experiments that created the Inhumans on other planets, but I can't remember if that's been established with the MCU version.

I just took it as imprecise speech. The Inhumans, after all, are the products of the Kree introducing extraterrestrial genetic material into Human DNA, so we do sometimes see people referring to the Inhumans themselves as "aliens" even though they're really not. However, the Monster does appear to be sufficiently different from a humanoid form that perhaps is is the product of similar engineering of a non-Human species from Earth. Or maybe of an alien species also altered that had been brought to Earth by the Kree. Lots of possibilities.

I didn't take the Monster to be native to Maveth, though. I assumed that it had simply been there for enough millennia that it had ensconced itself into Mavethian society and thereby brought about its ruin.

I was not expecting Will to have become It after Simmons left. I figured if it was him, it would have been him the entire time. Does this mean It can only posses dead bodies?

A fascinating possibility.

So is Andrew/Lash on the loose again? There was no sign of him when May found the dead Inhumans.

I feel really sorry for Jemma. This night has to be an absolute sucker-punch for her -- being tortured; almost losing Fitz (again!); finding out Will is dead; and then finding out that Lash killed all those people after she freed him. She was trying to make the best possible decision she could to protect herself and defeat Hydra, but it unfortunately led to a lot of innocent deaths.

Actually I'm surprised Malick survived the episode. I figured he'd be another Whitehall, a bad guy for the first half-season who'd be gotten rid of in the "winter finale."

I'm glad he's still out there. I was really disappointed when they killed Reinhardt at the end of Season 2.1. Powers Boothe is a lot of fun, and it's good to have a recurring bad guy whose primary goal is not "kill the good guys ASAP." (See: Wolfram and Hart.)