Well that's your opinion my friend and not mine! It's true though that TOS is totally unlike any of the other shows it has to be said and all the better for it! 
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How are we defining more advanced here?
I don't know. It just looked more advanced than the beauty in TOS! Not that it was better just different!
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Well that's your opinion my friend and not mine! It's true though that TOS is totally unlike any of the other shows it has to be said and all the better for it!
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No, it is not an opinion. It is a provable fact that Enterprise referenced TOS more frequently and more heavily than any other sequel series. I gave you dozens of examples of such references. Therefore, your claim that it ignored TOS is not an "opinion," it is simply and unambiguously wrong. Opinion is not a license to ignore fact.
I never said it ignored TOS! What bath are you drinking from? I remember the references to Axanar and Colonel Green quite well! I heard other mentions too but after a while the show went off on it's own tangent probably because of the future war or whatever. I was more of the opinion that the producers wanted to avoid the TOS stuff rather than the writers my old son!
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The producers were the writers.
Yes, you did, in several different ways (emphasis added):
Facts are stubborn things...
Different doesn't mean more advanced. On the surface a 70's Corvette may look "more advanced" than some modern cars, because of it's slick body design, but that doesn't make it so.
Well maybe but it didn't appeal to me I'm afraid! Strange how the NX1 didn't appear in the pictures on the wall in TMP though isn't it?
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How could it? The model didn't exist in 1979. Then again, a lof of Enterprises didn't appear on that wall.
I know that I was being a rascal!
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I'm not getting how choosing not to use a retro-flavored ship design that was created around 30 years after TOS was on the air counts as "ignoring TOS."
It's called the Daedalus Class, BTW. - http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Daedalus_class
Now there's a mistake right away!
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No, it's the normal practice in television and has been for decades. TV is a writer-driven industry, and every show has a staff of writer-producers led by the showrunner.
How can something look both complete and tacked on?
I would love to see both the NX and Dadelus Class designed in Star Trek 09 Kelvin format. As well as alternate Dadelus interpretations
The ships looks like it should have had a secondary hull from the start and feels complete having one. The way it is connected to the rest of the ship seems literally tact on. Like they just opened the shuttle doors and stuck the thing in. That could be some of the beauty of it.
I see what Ithekro means. Overall, the shape works better with a secondary hull. But on a more detailed level, there are parts of the original NX-class design that are retained in the refit and don't really mesh well with the more Constitution-like shape, like the thick, flat portions connecting the saucer to the nacelle pylons. It's sort of a hybrid of the two configurations and they don't mesh perfectly.
It's not a good idea and has only been adopted in the UK in the last decade or so! Over here the producer had his post and the script editor was in charge of the stories submitted! This showrunner idea gives the man total control which isn't a good thing! Look at how lousy Doctor Who is these days!
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It's worked fine in US television for the past 30-40 years -- even longer, in fact. Gene Roddenberry was very much in the mold of a modern showrunner, the single head writer and executive producer who guided the direction of the show and rewrote every script to give it a consistent voice, except that he oversaw a much smaller writing staff than modern shows have, just one producer and a story editor instead of a whole room.
And you're wrong about how it works. There isn't one person in total charge. The showrunner is the head writer-producer of a "writer's room" of about a half-dozen writer-producers of various ranks, from staff writer to script editor to various tiers of producers and executive producers. Alongside them are additional producers and executive producers who handle the logistical and business side of the production. For instance, on the modern Star Trek shows, Rick Berman was the executive producer on the logistical/business side, while other people (e.g. Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor, Ira Steven Behr, or Brannon Braga) were the showrunners, the executive producers on the creative side. Below the showrunner is the writing staff that comes up with the ideas, but below the logistical exec are people like line producers and associate producers, who are responsible for the mechanics of turning the ideas into a finished production. (These are the names you see in Trek credits such as David Livingston, Peter Lauritson, Wendy Neuss, Merri Howard, etc. -- the production staffers that don't get as much attention because they aren't writers.)
And for your information, Doctor Who still has producers of the same type that it used to have, logistical-side producers like Phil Collinson, Marcus Wilson, Nikki Wilson, and Peter Bennett, who hold the equivalent position to classic-series producers like Verity Lambert, John Wiles, Innes Lloyd, etc. As well as executive producers on the production/business side like Julie Gardner and Piers Wenger -- corresponding to the uncredited BBC Head of Serials on the original. Yes, writer-producers have become more central and powerful in the industry, but it's not at all true that they've replaced other categories of producer. Rather, they work alongside them as they always have.
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