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Spoilers Agatha All Along discussion and spoilers.

Well after saying I'd found the last few episodes a bit meh that was a return to the early season form because that was great!

Loved the Bohner Family Reunion t-shirt :lol:

And I should have been more patient because they perfectly explained how Billy could still exist! Presumably though Tommy's survival relies on his soul/essence/whatever finding a recently deceased body to hop into? I guess in that respect Tommy could be anyone, he could now be a 60 year old woman for all we know!

Have they rewritten history by saying Ralph killed Sparkie? I guess he was doing it at Agatha's behest...

I hope we haven't seen the last of the coven.
 
Galaxy said:
I have to say, for a show I had no idea existed until ~4 week before it's release, when I saw an add on YouTube, I am really enjoying this.

Considering the lack of coverage I have a feeling that this is not doing to well though. Which is a shame.
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It's a sequel/spin off of one of Marvel's most popular and critically acclaimed shows. I've seen cast members popping up on the usual places to promote it.
 
Christopher said:
It's possible that Wanda's Darkhold-enhanced magic would've been strong enough to penetrate the sigil. She was operating on a much higher level than Agatha's coven members.
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Yes... but the poster I was responding to argued the Sigil stopped Wanda sensing Billy's survival after the Anomaly collapsed - and this ep shows there was no delay, Billy's soul transferred to the recently-dead Kaplan that very instant. She had the Darkhold soon after that point, but somehow didn't sense him before deciding to go all slaughter-y in MoM.

So either a Sigil is powerful enough to block a witch that can effortlessly massacre the Avengers or it's at least a bloody good delaying tactic.
 
The Left Hand of Evil said:
I can't but help feel bad for the parents of the kid that Billy took over. They don't even know their son is dead and has been dead for years.
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I thought about that, too. Quite a weird conundrum, but I don't think the show is going to focus on that particular wrinkle of Billy's existence.
 
matthunter said:
Yes... but the poster I was responding to argued the Sigil stopped Wanda sensing Billy's survival after the Anomaly collapsed - and this ep shows there was no delay, Billy's soul transferred to the recently-dead Kaplan that very instant. She had the Darkhold soon after that point, but somehow didn't sense him before deciding to go all slaughter-y in MoM.
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Oh, right. Sorry, I forgot about that. Cancel my No-Prize.
 
Drunk Superman said:
Got a kick out of "Agatha of Westview: Billy's Version"
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It was amusing, and it provided a little more context for the first episode--which I will now have to go back and rewatch.

Christopher said:
I really should've rewatched WandaVision before this. I didn't recognize Fake Pietro, then I thought briefly that it was him, then I convinced myself it wasn't.

I was just thinking how I'm not crazy about the trend to do a full flashback episode in the middle of a serialized season (though I can't remember what the recent example was that particularly annoyed me), so I was glad this one turned out to be only mostly flashback and then had some payoff in the present.
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I didn't recognize him either until Bohner kept coming up as a word. As for the flashback episode, that's been going on for a while--as far back as Netflix's Daredevil (S1) in my memory although there were probably earlier examples. And now we get two flashback episodes in comic book properties within a week of each other.

For me, this episode was the best of the series so far. We get some of the missing pieces to the story. It was well acted and fun to watch. And we get some insights into how this series fits into the WandaVision story and the universe as a whole without making it feel like "I should have watched .____. first" with the exception of some specific references to WandaVision, but this is pretty much a follow up season to that show. I have to admit that I was wondering if the writers were going to connect this more to WandaVision than what we saw in the first episode.

It also seems like there is a similar structure to the previous show. We get a few episodes of set up with the setting out on the quest and the houses, and then we get thrown into a more complicated plot than what we had thought.
 
theenglish said:
And now we get two flashback episodes in comic book properties within a week of each other.
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Do you mean Superman and Lois? That's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. I was referring to something like The Acolyte where an entire episode from start to finish is a flashback, so that the main story arc is put on hold for two weeks. I prefer something like S&L or this, where the flashbacks only constitute part of the episode and there's at least some forward plot movement in the story's present.
 
theenglish said:
It was amusing, and it provided a little more context for the first episode--which I will now have to go back and rewatch.



I didn't recognize him either until Bohner kept coming up as a word. As for the flashback episode, that's been going on for a while--as far back as Netflix's Daredevil (S1) in my memory although there were probably earlier examples. And now we get two flashback episodes in comic book properties within a week of each other.

For me, this episode was the best of the series so far. We get some of the missing pieces to the story. It was well acted and fun to watch. And we get some insights into how this series fits into the WandaVision story and the universe as a whole without making it feel like "I should have watched .____. first" with the exception of some specific references to WandaVision, but this is pretty much a follow up season to that show. I have to admit that I was wondering if the writers were going to connect this more to WandaVision than what we saw in the first episode.

It also seems like there is a similar structure to the previous show. We get a few episodes of set up with the setting out on the quest and the houses, and then we get thrown into a more complicated plot than what we had thought.
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This was my favorite episode as well. If we look at the show as a kind of movie I think this is the episode that takes us into Act 2. Act 1 was all about setting up the characters and premise. Act 2 is now distorting all of that as it goes into a new direction. I expect the next episode will be heavily about Rio and we will learn more about her background with Agatha and my guess is she will be the main villain of the show. Maybe Billy even goes with her. Then it will be all the other witches having to join together to stop them, though Billy will be a loose cannon in that he has one agenda in finding his brother and really has no side he really is on except his own and his goal of finding his brother. Maybe he thinks Rio can help do that until her own selfish desire shows she really has no interest in helping him, even if she says she will.
 
Christopher said:
Do you mean Superman and Lois? That's not the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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Lois and Clark did one too? I was referring to The Penguin. I was just responding to you mentioning there is a trend of flashback shows in the middle of series.

The Nightmare Doctor said:
I thought about that, too. Quite a weird conundrum, but I don't think the show is going to focus on that particular wrinkle of Billy's existence.
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I thought it was sweet of Billy to pose as William. If he keeps that up the parents don't really need to know.

Galaxy said:
Considering the lack of coverage I have a feeling that this is not doing to well though. Which is a shame.
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I read something a few weeks back that it broke Disney's numbers for percentage of profit over the shows budget. It had a fairly low budget apparently and compared to that low cost, did better than any other MCU show. If that's true, expect to see a trend of lower key, character driven MCU shows--which in my opinion, is what a television show should be anyway.
 
Drunk Superman said:
That was was a great episode too. So, I got no problem with "Mid Season Flashbacks" currently.
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Me neither. It's not a problem with "flashback episodes" as a concept, especially when they are well done and push a story forward. It is an advantage that streaming series have over movies that they can really take the time to flesh out a character's backstory. Sometimes they do come across as little more than filler though.
 
theenglish said:
It was amusing, and it provided a little more context for the first episode--which I will now have to go back and rewatch.



I didn't recognize him either until Bohner kept coming up as a word. As for the flashback episode, that's been going on for a while--as far back as Netflix's Daredevil (S1) in my memory although there were probably earlier examples. And now we get two flashback episodes in comic book properties within a week of each other.
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theenglish said:
Lois and Clark did one too? I was referring to The Penguin. I was just responding to you mentioning there is a trend of flashback shows in the middle of series.
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Didn't Lost do at least one or two episodes that were all flashback before they switched up the format?
 
JD said:
Didn't Lost do at least one or two episodes that were all flashback before they switched up the format?
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I've been thinking of rewatching Lost. I played the first bit of the first episode recent and that opening sequence is still good. Unlike most, I never had a problem with the direction the show took, of if I did I forgot about it long ago. (Talk about Toxic Fandom!)
 
theenglish said:
I've been thinking of rewatching Lost. I played the first bit of the first episode recent and that opening sequence is still good. Unlike most, I never had a problem with the direction the show took, of if I did I forgot about it long ago. (Talk about Toxic Fandom!)
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You and me both. I will argue in defense of that show's last season and particular the series finale until my dying breath.

But you're right on that count about toxic fandom. Fortunately it wasn't too bad here where we even had a dedicated forum for it. Ah, those were the days...
 
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