ADM Hanson: "The Klingons are sending warships"

[JesterFace]

I think that's a false dichotomy. The limitations of a setting can be important to a story -- for instance, if a character is too far away for help to arrive in time. Naturally you want the audience to pay more attention to the immediate emotion of a story, but the storytellers should keep the realities of the setting in mind when plotting the story.

I guess I'm saying that if some distance or timeframe somehow ruins an episode, perhaps because the writer wasn't fully aware of Trek space travel capabilities, I can forgive it.... maybe.
Having an established maximum speed and the time it takes to travel certain distances makes sense but it can also be limiting. Perhaps those limitations and cabapilities of space travel should almost be taken episode by episode.
If something in a previous episode contradicts the next one, that's not fun but should one ignore it if the episode is great?
Speeds and distances shouldn't be too precise, too much details can hurt storytelling but having somekind of established guideline makes sense.
Even if I don't make much sense with this post.... =)

I guess Star Wars might be a good example where ships can travel massive distances in no time. Star Trek is better with that.

 

[Christopher]

I guess Star Wars might be a good example where ships can travel massive distances in no time. Star Trek is better with that.

Different universes, different rules, so there's no point in comparing them. Not only is Star Wars a work of fantasy that's never made the slightest pretense of scientific credibility, but it's set in a universe where hyperspace travel has existed since ancient times, so it's fine if their ships are arbitrarily fast.

The only thing that matters is whether a fictional universe is consistent with its own rules, and that's where Trek too often falls short. Although Wars has been known to be inconsistent as well, for instance, establishing that hyperdrive is needed for interstellar travel but showing the Falcon getting from Hoth to Bespin without one.

 

[Vger23]

They shot up the wreckage of the Federation fleet for fun and flew off on a month long bender...

This is the answer. I’m not sure where all this other baseless speculation comes from.

 

[Beard of Sisko]

What I'd like to know is how Worf, a discommodated Klingon, was able to get the High Council to send some ships.

 

[Dukhat]

What I'd like to know is how Worf, a discommodated Klingon, was able to get the High Council to send some ships.

Because he didn't. The Klingons sent ships of their own accord. Maybe you're thinking of "The Defector," when he contacted the Klingons to send ships to counter the Romulan warbirds, which happened before he was discommodated.

 

[Beard of Sisko]

Because he didn't. The Klingons sent ships of their own accord. Maybe you're thinking of "The Defector," when he contacted the Klingons to send ships to counter the Romulan warbirds, which happened before he was discommodated.

They focus on Worf for a moment after Hanson makes the announcement. It seems we're supposed to believe he was involved in persuading them.

 

[Dukhat]

They focus on Worf for a moment after Hanson makes the announcement. It seems we're supposed to believe he was involved in persuading them.

I’m not sure why anyone would have that impression.

 

[Christopher]

It's "discommendated," despite how Michael Dorn mispronounced it in "Sins of the Father." They pronounced it right in subsequent episodes. To discommend is to disapprove or disparage, the opposite of commendation; to discommode someone is merely to inconvenience or disturb them.

And there's no reason to think Worf would've been involved in the decision. Remember Gowron's line from "Redemption" a year later: "As per the terms of the Treaty of Alliance, I now formally request your assistance in fighting these enemies of the Empire." The only reason he was turned down is because it was believed at the time to be an internal matter not covered by the treaty. But BOBW was a straightforward invasion by an outside enemy, so the treaty would've required the Klingons to provide aid upon the request of the UFP government.

 

[Dukhat]

Getting back to the ‘Klingon ships in BoBW’ question, here’s a screencap of the battle’s aftermath showing the piece of wreckage in question (it’s right above the Kyushu):

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/...bothworldsii/08-thebestofbothworldsii-3-r.jpg

All other ships in that shot have been identified (from left to right, the Melbourne, the Chekov, the unidentified wreckage, the Kyushu, the Ahwahnee, and the Buran.) All five Ed Miarecki-built models are in that shot, so that mystery ship isn’t one of those. From a certain angle it looks like the engineering section of a TMP Klingon battlecruiser model kit, but I am not 100% certain of that.

 

[Markonian]

Perhaps a few Klingon ships happened to be in range - having allies in Federation space shouldn't be an issue in the 2360s.
And there's only minimal wreckage - thanks for pointing out the K't'inga head on the screenshot, @Dukhat - because the Klingon happened to get mostly pulverized. Or the cube gobbled up anything Klingon from the battlefield over the Starfleet wreckage.

 

[JesterFace]

Or the cube gobbled up anything Klingon from the battlefield over the Starfleet wreckage.

If Wolf 359 was the first encounter between Klingons and the Borg then the Borg might have taken a lot of Klingon stuff with them to study what Klingons are like?

 

[Beard of Sisko]

I’m not sure why anyone would have that impression.

Uh... because they focused on him? It's not exactly a huge leap.

 

[fireproof78]

If Wolf 359 was the first encounter between Klingons and the Borg then the Borg might have taken a lot of Klingon stuff with them to study what Klingons are like?

How?

That Cube was destroyed? Did they send a scout ship with all the cool stuff they found on the ride through the Alpha Quadrant?

 

[Christopher]

Uh... because they focused on him? It's not exactly a huge leap.

They focused on him because he's the one Klingon in the crew and they were talking about the Klingons. It was to show his reaction to the news, not to imply he was responsible for it.

 

[Dukhat]

Uh... because they focused on him? It's not exactly a huge leap.

It is taking the scene out of context to make it something that it wasn’t intended to be. Show me some actual evidence that Worf contacted the Klingons.

 

[Markonian]

How?

That Cube was destroyed? Did they send a scout ship with all the cool stuff they found on the ride through the Alpha Quadrant?

EAS speculated on this before as one of the reasons First Contact Queen remembers being with Locutus, and Picard's flashback of Locutus inside a Borg sphere. Perhaps the Wolf cube carried a sphere that left the cube after the battle because more resources/people were assimilated than the cube had room for?

 

[JesterFace]

How?

That Cube was destroyed? Did they send a scout ship with all the cool stuff they found on the ride through the Alpha Quadrant?

I meant that the cube, that was destroyed, might have collected some wreckage of the Klingon ships that were in the battle and that's why Klingon ships didn't appear on screen that much if at all. The Borg collected those ships out of curiocity, like they do, but eventually everything blew up with that cube.

 

[PatB1974]

They never made it due to taking a wrong turn at albuquerque.

 

[JesterFace]

They never made it due to taking a wrong turn at albuquerque.

The Borg assimilated Bugs Bunny? Did they get Elmer J. Fudd too?

 

[Akiraprise]

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JTV just released his Wolf 359 battle Part 1. He chose not to include any Klingon ships in it thus far. It's a well edited video though and entirely plausible. Although I don't care for his interpretation of Admiral Hanson being stubborn and getting the fleet destroyed. Take a look.