Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XII?
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I agree. I'm sorry but Star Trek was rebooted to capture a wider audience and to do that we need action, big explosion and space battles. If we dont get this then Star Trek is going to fall back down into the hole it's just been resurrected out of.
I'm honestly getting fed up with people wanting the new films to go back down the same old direction Trek has already been down. Trek has been rebooted, the old Trek you know of is now gone, it's not coming back and if it did Trek would die again.
I mean come on, does it makes sense to make a great action film like XI to then just say "ok we've got some new fans let's go back to how it was before". It's stupid to resurrect a franchise with a movie and then destroy it again with follow ons that use the same old failed formula of past Trek.
I agree. I'm sorry but Star Trek was rebooted to capture a wider audience and to do that we need action, big explosion and space battles. If we dont get this then Star Trek is going to fall back down into the hole it's just been resurrected out of.
I'm honestly getting fed up with people wanting the new films to go back down the same old direction Trek has already been down. Trek has been rebooted, the old Trek you know of is now gone, it's not coming back and if it did Trek would die again.
I mean come on, does it makes sense to make a great action film like XI to then just say "ok we've got some new fans let's go back to how it was before". It's stupid to resurrect a franchise with a movie and then destroy it again with follow ons that use the same old failed formula of past Trek.
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I think the second film must retain the big flashy factor, but at the same time take a dark, dramatic tone in the next film (à la ESB--the quintessential dark second act). Go with tragedy even. Also, give the fangirls a little bit of romantic drama. The characters are now introduced; play with them. The second film needs to be meaty.
The best trilogies often follow this format:
1. Introduce the characters in a self-contained plot.
2. Raise the stakes. The emotional, dark center of a trilogy where the heroes struggle.
3. The conclusion where the story is wrapped up.
I think the second film must retain the big flashy factor, but at the same time take a dark, dramatic tone in the next film (à la ESB--the quintessential dark second act). Go with tragedy even. Also, give the fangirls a little bit of romantic drama. The characters are now introduced; play with them. The second film needs to be meaty.
The best trilogies often follow this format:
1. Introduce the characters in a self-contained plot.
2. Raise the stakes. The emotional, dark center of a trilogy where the heroes struggle.
3. The conclusion where the story is wrapped up.
Re: Star Trek sequel needs to be original
But then you get people who say the reason Generations and Insurrection failed is because Earth was in no danger. I'm serious, I've seen these arguments before.
Of course, TWOK and TUC were successful without putting Earth in danger...
But then you get people who say the reason Generations and Insurrection failed is because Earth was in no danger. I'm serious, I've seen these arguments before.
Of course, TWOK and TUC were successful without putting Earth in danger...
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My husband's favorite scene was when the Enterprise appeared and rescued the Jellyfish; he said that was the best showcase of the ship in the whole movie. It dawned on me that there were massacres, but no other real battles; so maybe we should have some more of those.
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thinking back among the star trek movies, do you recall any that had a fair fight, a real space battle between evenly matched adversaries without some sort of slight of hand? nothing in TMP. in TWOK both the E and the reliant were crippled and attacked via subterfuge. in STVI again it's the firing-while-cloaked ship. in FC it's briefly the borg vs the E but that's just a crippled borg cube vs the E.
i only saw NEM once and have a mental block about it. maybe there? it's also been years since i saw STIII. was there a good battle scene there?
anyhow, i think there's lots of room for real epic battle in outer space.
thinking back among the star trek movies, do you recall any that had a fair fight, a real space battle between evenly matched adversaries without some sort of slight of hand? nothing in TMP. in TWOK both the E and the reliant were crippled and attacked via subterfuge. in STVI again it's the firing-while-cloaked ship. in FC it's briefly the borg vs the E but that's just a crippled borg cube vs the E.
i only saw NEM once and have a mental block about it. maybe there? it's also been years since i saw STIII. was there a good battle scene there?
anyhow, i think there's lots of room for real epic battle in outer space.
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I'm personally more interested in where the characters are going to go than what kind of space battles they could do.
More on Spock's Vulcan vs. Human duality is a must, of course. I'm curious on where the writers are going to take that. Duality always makes for fascinating character studies.
What the destruction of Vulcan means to the future of this reality is another great possibility.
I'm personally more interested in where the characters are going to go than what kind of space battles they could do.
More on Spock's Vulcan vs. Human duality is a must, of course. I'm curious on where the writers are going to take that. Duality always makes for fascinating character studies.
What the destruction of Vulcan means to the future of this reality is another great possibility.
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For me, I think the most imperative thing for the next movie to do to keep me interested is to make the danger/villian/conflict a personal one. I'm not saying Khan, but something Khan-like. It's gotta be something that actually gets to Kirk, Spock, or maybe McCoy, much like this movie had a plot that was very personal for Spock.
For me, I think the most imperative thing for the next movie to do to keep me interested is to make the danger/villian/conflict a personal one. I'm not saying Khan, but something Khan-like. It's gotta be something that actually gets to Kirk, Spock, or maybe McCoy, much like this movie had a plot that was very personal for Spock.
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The Enterprise warping in to save the day was the best, most jaw dropping moment in the film for me as well. Was literally shaking after that, although it may have had something to do with the incredibly loud and fantastic acompanying music and tension.
The Enterprise warping in to save the day was the best, most jaw dropping moment in the film for me as well. Was literally shaking after that, although it may have had something to do with the incredibly loud and fantastic acompanying music and tension.
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I think it would be kinda neat to put the Enterprise up against an technologically inferior adversary... with the catch being that they really don't want to just blow their opponent to space dust but defeat them in a meaningful way without looking like an interstellar bully with a big stick and no honor. An enemy's experience and cynicism versus Kirk's novel naivety (excuse the alliteration) and unorthodoxy?
I don't even think the enemy has to be established beforehand as personal, just that the enemy should be more than a cookie-cutter villain. Nero was a somewhat sympathetic antagonist, but rather than being someone we could sometimes even root for, he was a complete monster who there was nothing else to do with but defeat and destroy entirely. I want to see an antagonist who, if only they weren't on the wrong side against Our Heroes, might actually be the protagonist of the story. Now that's a meaty tale.
I also agree that the next outing should be a little darker and more sophisticated, but only because I'd really like to see some consequences spun out of the destruction of Vulcan being a major shift in the balance of power in the galaxy.
I think people may be barking up the wrong tree when they complain about old Trek's flaws. Old Trek's flaws were that its characters were dull, unchallenging, and unchallenged, and its plots relied too heavily on meaningless fake Trek science and tech rather than actual dramatic complications.
EDIT: Whoa, thread merged while I was typing up my post...!
I think it would be kinda neat to put the Enterprise up against an technologically inferior adversary... with the catch being that they really don't want to just blow their opponent to space dust but defeat them in a meaningful way without looking like an interstellar bully with a big stick and no honor. An enemy's experience and cynicism versus Kirk's novel naivety (excuse the alliteration) and unorthodoxy?
I don't even think the enemy has to be established beforehand as personal, just that the enemy should be more than a cookie-cutter villain. Nero was a somewhat sympathetic antagonist, but rather than being someone we could sometimes even root for, he was a complete monster who there was nothing else to do with but defeat and destroy entirely. I want to see an antagonist who, if only they weren't on the wrong side against Our Heroes, might actually be the protagonist of the story. Now that's a meaty tale.
I also agree that the next outing should be a little darker and more sophisticated, but only because I'd really like to see some consequences spun out of the destruction of Vulcan being a major shift in the balance of power in the galaxy.
I think people may be barking up the wrong tree when they complain about old Trek's flaws. Old Trek's flaws were that its characters were dull, unchallenging, and unchallenged, and its plots relied too heavily on meaningless fake Trek science and tech rather than actual dramatic complications.
EDIT: Whoa, thread merged while I was typing up my post...!
Re: What do you want to see in Star Trek XII (The Sequel) ??
Another vote for no Khan.
Another vote for no Khan.
How about Ninja klingons?
I know it sounds silly but does anyone think it is possible we might get something like this in the next movie? The thing is I always kind of wanted to see this, in regards to the Klingons. I never really understood why a race that worship war and combat would not also be more diverse in how it apraoches those issues. We humans in the present day tend to like violence and value these things as well but not all humans aproach it the same way. Some join the army and other join the Air Force. Some are into Karate and other prefer more isolated things like being a Sniper.
I would think Klingons would have all sorts of different aproaches when it comes to making war. I don't see why they would all fight the same way, using the same type of weapons.
I also sort of thought about this as a real possibility though when they showed us pics of Klingons in the background were Nero is being held prisoner. They have lean swords instead of Bat'leths or phasers. They wear armored plated helmets. I could see Abrams taking a whole new aproach to Klingon fighting, asuming they use Klingons in the next movie.
Jason
I know it sounds silly but does anyone think it is possible we might get something like this in the next movie? The thing is I always kind of wanted to see this, in regards to the Klingons. I never really understood why a race that worship war and combat would not also be more diverse in how it apraoches those issues. We humans in the present day tend to like violence and value these things as well but not all humans aproach it the same way. Some join the army and other join the Air Force. Some are into Karate and other prefer more isolated things like being a Sniper.
I would think Klingons would have all sorts of different aproaches when it comes to making war. I don't see why they would all fight the same way, using the same type of weapons.
I also sort of thought about this as a real possibility though when they showed us pics of Klingons in the background were Nero is being held prisoner. They have lean swords instead of Bat'leths or phasers. They wear armored plated helmets. I could see Abrams taking a whole new aproach to Klingon fighting, asuming they use Klingons in the next movie.
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Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X
Epic space battles? OK. We remake “Errands of Mercy,” but this time, the Organians say, “Ah, screw it, let them kill each other if they want to.” Then we have dozens of Federation and Klingon ships going at it.
Alternatively, how about a film that focuses on character and story instead of flashy special effects? Eh, nah. Bad idea. Let’s go with the epic space battle. Michael Bay can direct.
Epic space battles? OK. We remake “Errands of Mercy,” but this time, the Organians say, “Ah, screw it, let them kill each other if they want to.” Then we have dozens of Federation and Klingon ships going at it.
Alternatively, how about a film that focuses on character and story instead of flashy special effects? Eh, nah. Bad idea. Let’s go with the epic space battle. Michael Bay can direct.
Re: How about Ninja klingons?
How about Ninja Klingon Cheerleaders? The title can be Star Trek: B-Movie. We can have the first gratuitous nude scene in Trek (Uhura in TFF doesn’t count), when a Klingon Cheerleader flashes her breasts, the humans avert their eyes in disgust, and the Klingons kill the humans who are unprepared because they’re not looking.
Might sound dumb, but I bet it would be a hit on Qo’noS. That has been an untapped market so far.
How about Ninja Klingon Cheerleaders? The title can be Star Trek: B-Movie. We can have the first gratuitous nude scene in Trek (Uhura in TFF doesn’t count), when a Klingon Cheerleader flashes her breasts, the humans avert their eyes in disgust, and the Klingons kill the humans who are unprepared because they’re not looking.
Might sound dumb, but I bet it would be a hit on Qo’noS. That has been an untapped market so far.
Re: How about Ninja klingons?
Only if they're teenagers. And just the ones with the ridges, the mutated ones.
Only if they're teenagers. And just the ones with the ridges, the mutated ones.
Re: How about Ninja klingons?
Yes! Teenage Ninja Klingon Cheerleaders vs. Romulan Nazi Zombie Bikers! It’ll be awesome!
Re: How about Ninja klingons?
Seeing as how the Klingons were originally modelled after japanese warriors (hence their Fu-Man-Chu goatees and batleths), I wouldn't mind seeing them a little more hand-to-hand oriented than just all things distruction.
Seeing as how the Klingons were originally modelled after japanese warriors (hence their Fu-Man-Chu goatees and batleths), I wouldn't mind seeing them a little more hand-to-hand oriented than just all things distruction.
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