Re: Absolute Musts for XII?
IIRC, they used lithium crystals in Where No Man and Mudd's Women.
IIRC, they used lithium crystals in Where No Man and Mudd's Women.
Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XII?
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Re: Absolute Musts for XII?
A decent plot please
Oh, and lots and lots and lots of McCoy.
A decent plot please
Oh, and lots and lots and lots of McCoy.
Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X
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Norrin Radd
Vice Admiral
Re: Absolute Musts for XII?
Must not bring back Khan
Must not bring back Shatner
Must not involve time travel
Must develop Spock/Uhura
Must give Kirk a love interest
Must see more aliens in the Enterprise crew
Must see at least some Klingons
Must not bring back Khan
Must not bring back Shatner
Must not involve time travel
Must develop Spock/Uhura
Must give Kirk a love interest
Must see more aliens in the Enterprise crew
Must see at least some Klingons
Re: Absolute Musts for XII?
actually the last 10 minutes of the movie are very similar to the last minutes of The Voyage Home.
and a do or die plot that does not include Earth or the entire galaxy, no way, this is a Planet Earth production, and Earth writers are so biased for Earth its not even funny.
im not totally against Khan, as mentioned earlier bringing Shatner does not feel like a movie plot, more a TV episodes plot where Chris Pine is aged, and is played by Shatner (yeah I know that was the plot of a fanfilm)
a none time travel plot, I completely agree
Spock/Uhura most never be spoken of again.
Kirk love interest, only if its like the TV show.
aliens on the Enterprise, I agree, and yes we most see Klingons.
ill agree with that, considering Kirk is not that long out of the academy he will still need advice from time to time, TBH I am surprised they made him Captain so quickly, I figured he would become first officer on another ship for a few years, before he got the Enterprise (its possibly Spock had something to do with that)an absolute must?
Captain Christopher Pike.
actually the last 10 minutes of the movie are very similar to the last minutes of The Voyage Home.
I would like to see the crew get into a do or die emergency that doesn't involve Earth of the entire galaxy. [/QUOTE] I dont know if a whole movie can be done based on a Transport Malfunction, those plots are ok for a 45 minutes TV show, but a movie im not so sure, besides I recall Scotty getting beamd into the water tank, unless Scotty & his alien friend were merged, that could be funny.
and a do or die plot that does not include Earth or the entire galaxy, no way, this is a Planet Earth production, and Earth writers are so biased for Earth its not even funny.
ill agree with those two
im not totally against Khan, as mentioned earlier bringing Shatner does not feel like a movie plot, more a TV episodes plot where Chris Pine is aged, and is played by Shatner (yeah I know that was the plot of a fanfilm)
a none time travel plot, I completely agree
Spock/Uhura most never be spoken of again.
Kirk love interest, only if its like the TV show.
aliens on the Enterprise, I agree, and yes we most see Klingons.
Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
I really love the idea of having Section 31 as the Bad Guys in the next sequel. As well having the Klingons show up. I would save Khan for a third if at all! I would make it so Section31 was manipulating a war between the Federation and the Klingons so that the Federation would realize that the Galaxy is just not that safe and they should be more concerned about Beefing up Starfleet Militarily rather that focusing on exploration. This is how I would roughly do it.
Have Section31 open the movie up with an attack on a Klingon Outpost and letting a Klingon ship escape barely commanded by say a young Klingon Officer named Kor. He reports back to the Klingons that the Federation was responsible. He in turn is promoted to Commander and given charge of his own Ship.
Opening Credits
Have Sec31 in turn attack a Federation oupost and leave clues that it was the Klingons doing. Create a scenario where the two sides are to encounter one another to mediate the situation (maybe on Organia minus the all powerful beings). Sec31 attacks again causing the Enterprise and Klingons commanded by Kor to battle. Both ships are damaged with the Enterprise limping away to regroup. The Klingons take Hostages on the planet and Kirk for whatever reason happens to be on the planet is captured and tortured by Kor. The Enterprise returns for another round of space battles with new info as to who is behind the attacks. Along the way the nefarious plot is discovered and the Klingons and Kirk work side by side to defeat the shadowy Sec31 (maybe they have a ship or they are delegates in disguise on the planet?). It ends with Kirk and Kor saying that they will meet again and not as friends but adversaries! At the very end have Uhura report that they are receiving a faint distress call and the Ent goes to investigate. This could lead into a third Movie with the distress call being the Botany Bay!
Throw a bunch of filler throughout the movie for the characters and there you have it!
Thats It.
I know I am borrowing elements from TUC! But I think if you could find a really engaging actor to play Kor you could have a great dynamic between him and Kirk. Having them begrudgingly have respect for one another with both surving and going their seperate ways at the end is something we have really not seen in Trek Movie yet. It also harkens back to their first meeting back in TOS which I like.
What do you think?
I really love the idea of having Section 31 as the Bad Guys in the next sequel. As well having the Klingons show up. I would save Khan for a third if at all! I would make it so Section31 was manipulating a war between the Federation and the Klingons so that the Federation would realize that the Galaxy is just not that safe and they should be more concerned about Beefing up Starfleet Militarily rather that focusing on exploration. This is how I would roughly do it.
Have Section31 open the movie up with an attack on a Klingon Outpost and letting a Klingon ship escape barely commanded by say a young Klingon Officer named Kor. He reports back to the Klingons that the Federation was responsible. He in turn is promoted to Commander and given charge of his own Ship.
Opening Credits
Have Sec31 in turn attack a Federation oupost and leave clues that it was the Klingons doing. Create a scenario where the two sides are to encounter one another to mediate the situation (maybe on Organia minus the all powerful beings). Sec31 attacks again causing the Enterprise and Klingons commanded by Kor to battle. Both ships are damaged with the Enterprise limping away to regroup. The Klingons take Hostages on the planet and Kirk for whatever reason happens to be on the planet is captured and tortured by Kor. The Enterprise returns for another round of space battles with new info as to who is behind the attacks. Along the way the nefarious plot is discovered and the Klingons and Kirk work side by side to defeat the shadowy Sec31 (maybe they have a ship or they are delegates in disguise on the planet?). It ends with Kirk and Kor saying that they will meet again and not as friends but adversaries! At the very end have Uhura report that they are receiving a faint distress call and the Ent goes to investigate. This could lead into a third Movie with the distress call being the Botany Bay!
Throw a bunch of filler throughout the movie for the characters and there you have it!
Thats It.
I know I am borrowing elements from TUC! But I think if you could find a really engaging actor to play Kor you could have a great dynamic between him and Kirk. Having them begrudgingly have respect for one another with both surving and going their seperate ways at the end is something we have really not seen in Trek Movie yet. It also harkens back to their first meeting back in TOS which I like.
What do you think?
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
Pure novelty is not necessarily good. I'm sure far less people recognized the Scarecrow than the Joker, but the Joker was more compelling. Not to mention that he did not come across as old and tired. There's a reason why the sound of Darth Vader breathing in trailers for RotS got audiences more excited than anything else in the prequel trilogy. Just saying: one of the differences between the movies and the tv shows is that you have less time to fool around. You are looking for that iconic confrontation.
Kirk vs. Khan, Federation vs. Klingons, these are two of the classic confrontations from Star Trek, which is why they keep coming up, and with good reason. If they are used, it will be in a new way. You want to capture what is iconic about these enemies, while at the same time providing a new vision.
Section 31 is a much less likely candidate in my view. I like the concept, but it is too early to complicate matters with a rogue organization within the Federation itself.
Or how about ... here it comes ... something new?!
Pure novelty is not necessarily good. I'm sure far less people recognized the Scarecrow than the Joker, but the Joker was more compelling. Not to mention that he did not come across as old and tired. There's a reason why the sound of Darth Vader breathing in trailers for RotS got audiences more excited than anything else in the prequel trilogy. Just saying: one of the differences between the movies and the tv shows is that you have less time to fool around. You are looking for that iconic confrontation.
Kirk vs. Khan, Federation vs. Klingons, these are two of the classic confrontations from Star Trek, which is why they keep coming up, and with good reason. If they are used, it will be in a new way. You want to capture what is iconic about these enemies, while at the same time providing a new vision.
Section 31 is a much less likely candidate in my view. I like the concept, but it is too early to complicate matters with a rogue organization within the Federation itself.
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
If I want to see Khan I'll watch TWoK.
The writers would be wise to try to not use earlier films as templates for what they do next. That only inevitably leads to comparisons and most of the time the new take on the old material loses.
I don't mind them using previously established individuals or places or elements but only if it is to tell a new story.
If I want to see Khan I'll watch TWoK.
The writers would be wise to try to not use earlier films as templates for what they do next. That only inevitably leads to comparisons and most of the time the new take on the old material loses.
I don't mind them using previously established individuals or places or elements but only if it is to tell a new story.
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
Taking a whole film or episode as a template would be a mistake, but taking an iconic character from the past would not be.
Heath Ledger's Joker did not suffer horribly in comparison to Jack Nicholson's take on the character. In Transformers, it would have been silly to replace Optimus Prime and Megatron with new autobot and decepticon leaders. The Last Crusade worked far better than the other two Indy sequels in large part because it is much closer to the original formula.
Taking a whole film or episode as a template would be a mistake, but taking an iconic character from the past would not be.
Heath Ledger's Joker did not suffer horribly in comparison to Jack Nicholson's take on the character. In Transformers, it would have been silly to replace Optimus Prime and Megatron with new autobot and decepticon leaders. The Last Crusade worked far better than the other two Indy sequels in large part because it is much closer to the original formula.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
I want section 31 as the next bad guys but i'm not keep on the idea put forth in the OP.
I want section 31 as the next bad guys but i'm not keep on the idea put forth in the OP.
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
I really doubt we'll see Section 31 or other elements from DS9 or VOY or probably TNG.
I really doubt we'll see Section 31 or other elements from DS9 or VOY or probably TNG.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
New timeline. Kirk and co never learnt about them in the original timeline which is why Section 31 still exists in the 24th century. If Kirk and co were to find out about section 31 in this new timeline Section 31 is screwed big time.
1 mind meld by Spock to a section 31 operative and they're finished.
New timeline. Kirk and co never learnt about them in the original timeline which is why Section 31 still exists in the 24th century. If Kirk and co were to find out about section 31 in this new timeline Section 31 is screwed big time.
1 mind meld by Spock to a section 31 operative and they're finished.
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
I really don't see how they could find out about them.
The only reason we found out about them in DS9 was because there was a war that the Federation was not going to win. I liked the idea of S31, but sometimes I did wonder why they didn't come up with the plan Sisko did. I guess they had to have a willing person at Starfleet - off topic, but I wonder if Sisko would've gone through with the plan if it was S31 instead of Garak?
I really don't see how they could find out about them.
The only reason we found out about them in DS9 was because there was a war that the Federation was not going to win. I liked the idea of S31, but sometimes I did wonder why they didn't come up with the plan Sisko did. I guess they had to have a willing person at Starfleet - off topic, but I wonder if Sisko would've gone through with the plan if it was S31 instead of Garak?
Re: Sec31 w/Klingons for Sequel save Khan for Third!
The interesting part of the original Section 31 concept was that they were part of the original Federation charter and so not an "enemy" of the Federation per se, though certain members of the Federation might have moral objections to their existance. This is a very DS9-style concept, in line with the show's overall intent to subvert to a certain degree the "utopia" model of TNG. I think it would be out of place in a sequel.
I agree, on the other hand, that the Borg will return. Like the Klingons and Khan, they have that iconic quality, they pose the right kind of challenge, they lend themselves to a very cool visual style. We will definitely see them again.
New timeline. Kirk and co never learnt about them in the original timeline which is why Section 31 still exists in the 24th century. If Kirk and co were to find out about section 31 in this new timeline Section 31 is screwed big time.
1 mind meld by Spock to a section 31 operative and they're finished.
The interesting part of the original Section 31 concept was that they were part of the original Federation charter and so not an "enemy" of the Federation per se, though certain members of the Federation might have moral objections to their existance. This is a very DS9-style concept, in line with the show's overall intent to subvert to a certain degree the "utopia" model of TNG. I think it would be out of place in a sequel.
I agree, on the other hand, that the Borg will return. Like the Klingons and Khan, they have that iconic quality, they pose the right kind of challenge, they lend themselves to a very cool visual style. We will definitely see them again.
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